Tuesday, September 22, 2009

The Old Chimp and his Apprentice

In this thread of the "CODOH Revisionist Forum", already pointed by Jonathan, two dumb followers of the "Revisionist" faith are having a somewhat agitated conversation about this writer, who both of them for some reason seem to be obsessed with.



One of the true believers is the over-eager "Revisionist" novice "Drew J", who, after getting tired of trying to respond to my comments to his somewhat-less-than-reasonable considerations regarding parts (1), (2) and (3) of my riposte to Mattogno, is pulling an act aptly characterized by Jonathan as "pretending to doubt the revisionist case then being miraculously reconverted to it by the flimsiest of 'show me a tooth' arguments".

One wonders why this fellow insists in spouting nonsense about me and my arguments on a forum to which (as he knows or should have realized by now) I have no access, instead of confronting me on the RODOH forum or another forum where I can respond to him directly. He must have the yellow streak that is so common among regulars of the CODOH Cesspit, who prefer throwing manure from the safety of their warm and cozy online Führerbunker to venturing into the cold world of the very open debate they so loudly proclaim.

I have little patience (even mine is limited) and less time to wade through and comment Drew J's CODOH gibberish. And why should I? Drew J should stop being a yelping coward and engage me one a forum to which I have access and where we can discuss directly, without the intervention of partisan moderators for one or the other side. There are several such places on the web, including but not limited to RODOH, the Usenet and – believe it or not – the discussion forum of the "Vanguard News Network", where I debated Greg Gerdes and other "White" specimens over 105 pages on the thread Archeological Investigations of Treblinka.

I thus look forward to Drew J showing just a little character and informing me that he has opened a thread or joined an existing thread in any of these places.

The other true believer, the one I call the old chimp, uses the handle "Pepper" and is obviously none other than my old friend Greg Gerdes (a.k.a. "tfsfcsupporter", "T.F.Sheb" and "Celtic Patriot"), a barely human creature whose obnoxious stupidity is only topped by his mendacity, which in turn is only exceeded by his paranoia, which in turn is outdone by his fathomless cowardice alone.

After having had his piss-poor "arguments" of the "show me just one tooth" variety slapped around his ears over and over again (first on Topix, then on the VNN thread Archeological Investigations of Treblinka, and finally on the RODOH forum, where under the handle "tfsfsupporter" Gerdes disgraced himself in a number of threads (Look how stupid Roberto is, How many graves at Sobibor?, The Treblinka holohoax and the insane rodohoaxers - game, set and match, Outrageous lies from Yoram Haimi and The great debate, among others), Gerdes apparently decided that it would be better for him to mouth off about me without confronting me directly, and accordingly turned to spouting his characteristic mixture of lies, self-projecting invective and downright imbecility only among fellow followers of the "Revisionist" faith. (Gerdes is a fan of Solshenizyn’s The Gulag Archipelago, by the way. If my intellect were at the same low level as his, I might demand that he show me "just one" tooth from a victim of the Soviet Gulag.)

Gerdes' CODOH antics are fine with me insofar as his repetitive hollering is too silly even for fellow "Revisionists", at least the more "reasonable" ones like "Laurentz Dahl" a.k.a. Thomas Kues, who seem to be concerned about the image of "Revisionism" whenever troglodytes like Gerdes hit the stage.

But I'm always open to some having some more fun with the chimp, hence the following challenge.

Gerdes is the "president", and apparently also the only member, of an association that now calls itself the "National Association of Forensic Historians" (it used to be "National Association of Forensic Criminologists, Archaeologists, Skeptics and Historians" – "National Association of Fish-Wives, Cretins and Screaming Hysterics" would have been more appropriate, as the president fulfills all membership requirements) and hosts a website that is hard to match for paranoid hollering and colorful hysteria even in "Revisionist" cloud-cuckoo-land.

On this website Gerdes announces a reward of $ 100,000 for "locating / proving the existence of just one grave that contains just one tenth of one percent of the alleged mass murder" at either Treblinka or Sobibor extermination camp. Applicants to the reward are supposed to submit their evidence in an article published in SKEPTIC magazine ("Therefore, all one has to do to become an applicant for THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE TM reward, is to have said claims / results first published in "SKEPTIC" Magazine"), and of course the reward offer is a big fat hoax, already because it is nowhere stated what evidence the NAFH would accept as fulfilling the requirements of its "challenge" and entitling the applicant to the reward (one would also not expect characters like Gerdes and his hillbilly friends to put together anything like $ 100,000, of course – they probably can barely manage to pay their trailer park rents).

I accepted this "challenge" in a previous version (which still included Belzec and Chelmno extermination camps IIRC - both have since vanished for some reason) but have not yet claimed the reward, even though I'm positive that the eyewitness, documentary and physical evidence I can show would convince any historian or any court of justice in Germany or the US that the remains of a number of human beings immensely higher than Gerdes’ idiotic "one tenth of one per cent" lie in the soil of both Sobibor and Treblinka and am also able to locate at least four of the Sobibor mass graves.

The main reason why I have not yet claimed the reward is known to who has been following my discussions with Gerdes and was last expressed in my post # 2089 on the VNN thread Archeological Investigations of Treblinka: Gerdes persistently refused to state what evidence he would accept as proof meeting the requirements for claiming the reward, running away from every question in this sense or responding with meaningless hysterical "what part of the word 'proof' do you not understand" – screams.

Therefore, and in order to give Gerdes a last chance to make his "challenge" into something resembling a serious reward challenge rather than a transparent publicity act meant to fool hopeless suckers, I hereby challenge Gerdes to overcome his well-known cowardice and put the following statement on his NAFH website, in big bold letters (the color I leave to his dubious taste):

"In order to claim the reward, the applicant must submit evidence that would be considered by a US court of justice duly applying the pertinent rules of evidence as proving beyond a reasonable doubt the location and contents of at least one mass grave at Treblinka or Sobibor containing human remains that correspond to at least one tenth of one per cent of the amount of bones, bone fragments, teeth, ashes or other human remains that can be reasonably expected to lie in the soil of the respective former camp if a minimum of between 700,000 and 800,000 Jews were killed at Treblinka and between 150,000 and 250,000 Jews were killed at Sobibor."

The next step would be NAFH placing the reward money (in the improbable case that Gerdes & friends can collect such amount) on an Escrow account, but let’s do one thing at a time. As soon as Gerdes has placed the required statement in the required form on the NAFH site, I shall contact SKEPTIC magazine and start preparing my submission of evidence regarding Treblinka and/or Sobibor for publication in that magazine.

Will Greg Gerdes be able to muster the minimum amount of courage and honesty required to put this statement on the NAFH site and keep it there, or will he again go into a hysterical "what part of the word 'proof' do you not understand" – act?

We shall see.

Meanwhile, I noted that the introduction of Gerdes' website has changed. It used to read as follows, according to a screenshot I took on 24.09.2008 at 15:48 hours GMT:

Ground Penetrating Radar Examination Exposes "Extermination Center" Fraud

NO TRACE OF MASS GRAVES FOUND AT TREBLINKA

A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there. For six days in October 1999, an Australian forensics team headed by Richard Krege, a qualified electronics engineer, carried out an examination of the soil at the site of the former Treblinka II camp in Poland where, holocaust historians claim, 870,000 jews were put to death in gas chambers and then buried in huge mass graves. Krege said: "From these scans we could clearly identify the largely undisturbed horizontal stratigraphic layering, better known as horizons, of the soil under the camp site. We know from scans of gravesites and other sites with known soil disturbances, such as quarries, when this natural layering is massively disrupted or missing altogether. Because normal geological processes are very slow acting, disruption of the soil structure would have been detectable even after 60 years. Historians say that the bodies were exhumed and cremated toward the end of the Treblinka camp’s use in 1943, but we found no indication that any mass graves ever existed."
According to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (1997), a total of 870,000 people were allegedly killed with diesel exhaust and buried at Treblinka between July 1942 and April 1943. Then, between April and July 1943, the hundreds of thousands of corpses were allegedly dug up and burned on large grids made of railroad rails. Krege’s team used an $80,000.00 GROUND PENETRATION RADAR (GPR) device, which sends out vertical radar signals that are visible on a computer monitor. GPR detects any large-scale disturbances in the soil structure to a normal effective depth of four or five meters. (GPR is routinely used around the world by geologists, archeologists and police.) In its Treblinka investigation, the team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged "mass graves" portion,
but found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes or wood ashes. (SOURCE)
View the video documentation of Krege’s forensic investigation HERE.


Now it reads as follows (screenshot has been taken to record future changes):

Forensic Experts Prove Holocaust Gas Chamber Myth a “Sheer Impossibility”

NO DIESEL GASSINGS AT TREBLINKA

“Most Nazi gassings were supposedly committed with diesel exhaust rather than Zyklon B… a working draft paper authored by Walter Lüftl, President of the Austrian Federal Chamber of Engineers, described mass murder with diesel exhaust as a “sheer impossibility.” He substantiated his view as to the relative harmlessness of diesel exhaust… there are no known deaths in cars or trucks with diesel engines. Every night across the world, tens of thousands of truck drivers sleep in their truck cabs with the diesel engines running throughout the night – there is no evidence of even one trucker dying. It never happens. There are no known diesel suicides either… The new 'revised' version of the Holocaust story is even more absurd than the old version. The diesel gas chamber claim is rubbish… Although it would have been theoretically possible to commit the deeds alleged for Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka with diesel engines… It would be hard to imagine a mass murder method more awkward and inefficient. Even if some deranged minds had tried for a time to commit murder with diesel exhaust, after a few tries it would have become apparent to even the most demented fiend that something far better was needed. The idea that the National Socialists actually used such a method is preposterous. It never happened!” (SOURCE)

NOTE: The alleged Treblinka diesel gas chamber lie is only the latest on a long list of ever changing, ludicrous killing methods claimed by the “eyewitnesses” that have been totally debunked by forensic experts. The following is a list of the absurd, physically impossible murder weapons / techniques claimed to have been employed at Treblinka: *Exhaust fumes from an unspecified engine, with poison added to the fuel. *A mobile gas chamber that traveled along the edge of the “huge mass graves” and unloaded the corpses into them. *Gas chambers with delayed action gas - which enabled the victims to walk to the mass graves, where they lost consciousness at precisely the right moment - then conveniently fell into them! *Quicklime in trains. *Thrown alive into boiling water. *Steam. (Steam chambers were also “proven” at the Nuremberg show trial and were previously a very commonly claimed method until finally being officially replaced with the equally absurd diesel exhaust method.) *Suffocation. (Sucking the air out of the chambers with a vacuum pump was another commonly claimed method before it too was put down the memory hole.) *Electric current. *Chlorine gas. *And last, but certainly not least - by tearing the children in half - WITH BARE HANDS!


I ran a search for "Krege" on the NAFH site, which turned up no results.

Why the change, I wonder.

Why did Gerdes drop the eulogy of Krege's supposed achievements like a hot potato (for that's what it looks like) and put the irrelevant "diesel" nonsense and other beaten straw-men in its place?

Could it be he realized that Krege found exactly what he had hoped not to find - soil disturbances compatible with the presence of mass graves - in his bumbling GPR exercise??

I'm curious how Gerdes will explain the removal of Krege from the NAFH website - if he doesn't again take the coward's way out and ignore this question like so many before.

4 comments:

shylock the shyster said...

Sounds like this Mr Gerdes and you have some beef Roberto.

I have to say that your blog was very humouressly written in places.

Maybe you have been taking lessons in irony from the master himself - Mr Haimi of SAP fame.

I hope that Drew comes to visit rodoh, and that 'Pepper' let's mr Gerdes know about this blog (assuming that is that Pepper has any kind of contact with Mr Gerdes).

May the challenge commence!

Nexgen said...

Hard to see Mr. Drew leaving that place Mr.Shylock Shyster. Hard to see. Mr.Gerdes will find out soon enough about this.

A person driven so much by obsession as he will be compulsively checking all outlets on line during his current period of raving manic intensity. Possibly even as I type. Hello Mr. Gerdes!!! Still pretending to be other people?

NexGen

HannahJ said...

Hey...retard does not equal stupid. When someone writes something that is unbelievably stupid and out of touch, that also doesn't make them a retard.
As the mom of a special needs child, I'm just reminding you of the facts. They are pretty clear in my mind. People with special needs are asking you not to use the word retard, okay? What more do you need?
I know this pales in comparison to issues about holocaust denial, but you struck a chord with me.

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

Hannah,

Sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean it. I shall replace "retard" with something else.

All the best to you and your child,

Roberto