Remember how CODOH is supposed all to be about rationality, arguments and no hidden agenda whatsoever?
Except they used to have this hidden subforum called VIP Lounge, accessible only to the "time honored & trusted Revisionists", to quote Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis.
Well, here's what they really write when they think the Traditional Enemy is not watching.
Jonnie Hargis, the forum's dictator and chief censor, defends the expulsions of Jews, agreeing with CODOH's "time honored & trusted" resident neo-Nazi Friedrich Braun:
More deep thoughts from Friedrich Braun:
But apparently Friedrich Braun began to be too transparent about his neo-Nazism also in the public forum, which is why he was censored by Hargis and decided to tell the truth about his moderation practices:
More interesting than Braun's stale rants are the posts by Carto's Cutlass Supreme. This guy is a total dimwit, but since he is better known as Denierbud, whose series of youtube videos got completely debunked here, he is somewhat of a figure on the denier scene. He tries to keep the more neutral facade in the public forum but lets loose in the VIP section.
Here's him ranting about poor persecuted Nazis and neo-Nazis like Matt Hale (convicted for soliciting murder of a federal judge), the Aryan Nations and Julius Streicher.
As you see, he also mildly castigated the liar "Mark_Twain", the neo-Nazi behind judicial-inc.biz, for being inaccurate about his facts (indeed, the fellow was so bad that even the dishonest denier Carlos Porter had to debunk him). MT then basically admitted he was engaging in pure propaganda and just using random pictures on his website. Here is the continuation of that thread:
Here is CCS possibly on drugs, tripping about being a part of a cosmic drama, battling against the evil Jews (and showing his ignorance about basic religious matters - according to the mythology all people come from Adam, not only Jews).
It is clear that CCS is an ignorant kook. Here is him espousing a crazy theory he made up when he learned that Yiddish is based on old German (because he is the first person in the world to have noticed that, apparently):
Here is one of the neo-Nazis making an anti-Arab joke and another castigating him for purely Reapolitik reasons.
Speaking of Realpolitik, these deniers are indeed concerned about their "outside world" image. Here is Hannover-Hargis responding to the aforementioned self-confessed bullshitter Mark_Twain asking him to tone it down with the explicit anti-Jewish talk: "Try more specific descriptions like 'Zionists'". Of course this concerned merely the external appearance, it is clear that Hargis agreed with MT.
This wasn't a one time occurrence with MT:
And here is CCS being concerned about Braun's open rabid antisemitism, while admitting that he believes "what he's saying is the truth" and that he "can understand Braun's sentiment completely".
And if you think everything you've read so far was bad stuff, consider what was in the threads that had to be pulled even from the private VIP Lounge:
Clearly, the core CODOH deniers are rabid antisemites who don't want the world to know they are rabid antisemites (they're failing at that of course, even without the leaked materials).
There are tons of more fun stuff like this where this came from, but that's all for today. đ
Except they used to have this hidden subforum called VIP Lounge, accessible only to the "time honored & trusted Revisionists", to quote Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis.
Well, here's what they really write when they think the Traditional Enemy is not watching.
Jonnie Hargis, the forum's dictator and chief censor, defends the expulsions of Jews, agreeing with CODOH's "time honored & trusted" resident neo-Nazi Friedrich Braun:
Here's him ranting about poor persecuted Nazis and neo-Nazis like Matt Hale (convicted for soliciting murder of a federal judge), the Aryan Nations and Julius Streicher.
As you see, he also mildly castigated the liar "Mark_Twain", the neo-Nazi behind judicial-inc.biz, for being inaccurate about his facts (indeed, the fellow was so bad that even the dishonest denier Carlos Porter had to debunk him). MT then basically admitted he was engaging in pure propaganda and just using random pictures on his website. Here is the continuation of that thread:
It is clear that CCS is an ignorant kook. Here is him espousing a crazy theory he made up when he learned that Yiddish is based on old German (because he is the first person in the world to have noticed that, apparently):
Here is one of the neo-Nazis making an anti-Arab joke and another castigating him for purely Reapolitik reasons.
Speaking of Realpolitik, these deniers are indeed concerned about their "outside world" image. Here is Hannover-Hargis responding to the aforementioned self-confessed bullshitter Mark_Twain asking him to tone it down with the explicit anti-Jewish talk: "Try more specific descriptions like 'Zionists'". Of course this concerned merely the external appearance, it is clear that Hargis agreed with MT.
This wasn't a one time occurrence with MT:
And here is CCS being concerned about Braun's open rabid antisemitism, while admitting that he believes "what he's saying is the truth" and that he "can understand Braun's sentiment completely".
Clearly, the core CODOH deniers are rabid antisemites who don't want the world to know they are rabid antisemites (they're failing at that of course, even without the leaked materials).
There are tons of more fun stuff like this where this came from, but that's all for today. đ
Who is your codoh-elite insider? Eric Hunt? :P
ReplyDeleteNo, not Eric Hunt, who seems to have genuinely lost his password to his old CODOH forum account, contrary to what Hargis claims as 'moderator1'.
ReplyDeleteWhoever that might be, it must be an old-timer. Pay attention to the old design ;)
ReplyDeleteSo funny to see the monkeys squabble at the zoo!
ReplyDeleteThese codoh writers are so clearly ignorant it's almost funny. No shortage of stupidity in the world unfortunately.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your scholarly works.
I have a question about Belzec. Orthodox history has it that the cremations were started in winter and continued day and night. Now, the question is what was the weather at that time. If it was below zero, than how could they have burned them so eassily, in such harsh cobditiona? Have you addressed this or not? If you have , show me. If you claim simply that it is not relevant, then explain to me why. Please give a coherent explanation. Also, I think that these posters are simply dis info agents causing havoc to make revisionism sound irrational. Please address all the claims I have made
ReplyDeleteI don't see any that bad about these comments. They be rants, but they are not advocating extermination of anybody. Let them say what they want. It doesn't invalidate all their arguments. Stop trying to label everybody as anti semites just because they question the official history of World War 2.Always remember Germar Rudolf and what happened to him. Yes , they are right , people are being persecuted for disbelieving the Holocaust and no amount of spinning is going to change that fact. No, I am not a Jew hater, if that is what your reaction is. Don't even bother trying to label me as one.
ReplyDeleteYour comment is off-topic, but let's have a look at it.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, who said anything about the burning having been easy? It wasn't. It took several months to accomplish, and left behind lots of cremation remains later discovered by crime site investigators and archaeologists. Plus corpses that were never disinterred in the first place.
Second, weather issues have been addressed i.a. here. If it was possible to burn carcasses of diseased animals in the UK in 2001, why should it not have been possible to burn mostly decomposed corpses in the winter at Belzec?
February is also a winter months, by the way. In February 1945 they burned 6,865 air raid victims on the Dresden Altmarkt.
Third, please look up our comments policy. If you want to have a longer chat with the author of any article about the contents of that article, open a thread on one of the mentioned forums. That would be RODOH for articles written by me, SSF or ISF for articles written by others.
Last but not least, who do you mean by "dis info agents causing havoc to make revisionism sound irrational"? If you mean us, thanks for the "causing havoc" compliment. As to making "Revisionism" sound irrational, "Revisionists do that all by themselves, i.a. by making remarks such as the "dis-info agents". Who do you expect to take that seriously?
«I don't see any that bad about these comments. They be rants, but they are not advocating extermination of anybody. Let them say what they want. It doesn't invalidate all their arguments.»
ReplyDeleteThat might be so if their arguments were valid in the first place, which they aren't. That's one of the reasons why some of the best "Revisionist" (Thomas Kues, Friedrich Jansson, Eric Hunt and HC blogger Jason Myers) have either lost interest in or turned their backs on "Revisionism". .
«Stop trying to label everybody as anti semites just because they question the official history of World War 2.»
There's nothing wrong with questioning the "official history of World War 2" (whatever that is supposed to be), provided that such questioning takes account of all known evidence and requires few if any unsubstantiated conjectures. Which is not what can be said of "Revisionist" questioning.
As to whether "Revisionists" are anti-Semites, my observation of these people over the years has led me to the following conclusions:
1. Some do hate Jews (whether they own up to it or not).
2. Some do not hate Jews but admire Nazi Germany.
3. Some are concerned that the historical record of Nazi crimes is invoked to encourage tolerance of foreign immigrants they don't want to have in their country.
4. Some just go with it because they think it's cool to be "politically incorrect" or something like that.
Categories 1 to 3 are likeliest to stick with "Revisionism", in descending order.
Category 4 is more likely to abandon it sooner or later.
«Always remember Germar Rudolf and what happened to him.»
Not the kind of legislation I would approve, but the fact remains that "Revisionism" such as practiced by Rudolf is hate speech.
«Yes, they are right , people are being persecuted for disbelieving the Holocaust and no amount of spinning is going to change that fact.»
First of all, no one is persecuted for "disbelieving the Holocaust". Whether you do that or not is your own business. Only if you do it in public, in a manner that some legislators consider a possible threat to the public order and/or to ethnic minorities and/or to a countries reputation, you will get in conflict with the law in some countries.
Second, being "persecuted" on account of public utterances considered offensive doesn't make you right. I'm against all forms of anti-Holocaust denial legislation. The best way to meet "Revisionist" bullshit is to show it up for what it is, to the extent that "Revisionists" don't do that all by themselves, e.g. by claiming to be "persecuted" on account of supposed inconvenient "truths".
«No, I am not a Jew hater, if that is what your reaction is. Don't even bother trying to label me as one.»
So which of the other 3 categories mentioned above do you belong to?
Feel free to tell me on the RODOH forum. As per our guidelines mentioned in my previous post, this blog site is not meant for long discussions about articles written long ago.
This is some truly ancient stuff you're dredging up here. "Friedrich Braun" hasn't been a neo-Nazi or Holocaust Revisionist since 2009, when he publicly reinvented himself as a philosemitic Zionist neocon on the site www.majorityrights.com. Also, the individual behind judicial-inc.biz was certainly an antisemitic nutjob, but never actually a neo-Nazi - I recall he was married to a black woman. His site would frequently accuse neo-Nazis and white nationalists of being crypto-Jews.
ReplyDeleteYes, it's of archival interest; CODOH forum has been going since the early 2000s, and *some* of the members there are the same people as at the beginning (like Hannover). Many others have dropped off the radar, and some have changed their views, like "Friedrich Braun". The point was not so much to single out individuals as to show what kind of discussions the CODOH members had in private.
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