Tuesday, February 16, 2010

http://www.hsrdb.com: Legitimate Revision or Denial?

This site [screenshot] claims that
This is NOT a Holocaust denial website, it is a FACT that the Holocaust happened.
How sincere is this claim? And why is it being made in the first place?

The site claims that its aim is "to assist historians, scholars and students interested in analyzing and comparing historical information". The original name of the site, obtained by Googling its mailing address, was Legitimate Revision [screenshots a, b]. We are of course wholly in favour of legitimate revision, but we might be curious as to why the site changed its name.

The answer is that one of the founders of the site is the Holocaust "revisionist" [screenshot] "JustTheTruth", who has posted comments to the HC blog using the name Richard. We know that JTT=Richard for two reasons. First of all, just like JTT, he had known about the "database" project before it was revealed. He also repeated some of Richard's specific arguments about Treblinka at CODOH. The second reason is irrefutable evidence which we will not post at this time, although it is publicly available, as it concerns Richard's private life. We made sure to save all of it, though, because Richard has made threats against RODOH and individual posters there.

For now, let's just note this public WHOIS information for HSRDB site [screenshot]:
Registrant:
Richard Lauren
329 Harrow Road
London, London W9 3RB
GB
Domain name: HSRDB.COM
On February 1st, Richard posted this [screenshot] at HC:
Just wait until this new database that cross-references ALL the witness testimonies about these topics in one report goes online - the gross inconsistencies will be exposed once and for all.

We will see exactly "who said what" about the means of gas production in one report - all source-referenced to eliminate disputes.

I cant wait...
Five days later he posted this at CODOH in response to the author of "One Third of the Holocaust" denial videos (debunked by us) [screenshot]:
by JustTheTruth » Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:32 am

Hi Carto's Cutlass Supreme,

Interesting suggestion, thanks.

I am presently working on a project that uses a database with a web interface that allows the cross-referencing of historical sources regarding a particular topic of interest. The first is for Treblinka, so for example, shortly it will be able to produce reports that have quotes from every known testimony in relation to the Treblinka gas chambers and their engines etc; available by search menu.

Eventually it will cover every important aspect of the Treblinka camp - exposing the numerous contradictions in testimony. And if successful, databases can be also be created for all the important camps of the Holocaust.

The hope is for it to be a free research tool for historians and revisionists and student, so if it works as expected, I will see if I can make one for the Boder interviews. I'll keep you updated.

If you are interested in playing with the "beta" database, let me know...
Richard/JTT thus reveals that the real purpose of the site is "exposing the numerous contradictions in testimony".

This same person has posted threads at CODOH [screenshot] and RODOH [thread moved; screenshots a, b] that claim that the Jews were responsible for the actions the Nazis inflicted upon them:
Surely it is reasonable to argue that if the Jew's, by their own admission, willingly and deliberately engage in a course of conduct that they are acutely aware has resulted in repeated persecutions to those engaging in said conduct; they are, by doing so, instigating and provoking a an anticipated result and as such are directly responsible for any consequences thereof.
And:
No people ever DESERVE to be treated as the Jews were by the Nazis; however is it wrong to suggest that they CONTRIBUTED?

In legal terms this is called PROVOCATION which, in many jurisdictions, forms the basis for a lawful defenses to criminal charges such as assault.

Therefore in many legal jurisdictions, knowingly and deliberately engaging in such a course of conduct that provokes another party, implies consent regarding the actions of that party resulting from said conduct.

[...]

Without some sort of prior obligation or responsibility of host nations for the well-being of their Jewish guests, the Jewish peoples have no right to conduct themselves in a manner that is antagonistic toward their hosts. Am I wrong here?

One must ask why the Jewish people continue to blatantly conduct themselves in such a way that has seen their repeated persecuted throughout history?

How does the often warped logic of the holocaust manage to turn this fundamental principle of cause-and-effect on it's head so that people like you are prepared to debate it?

Stop for one second and ask yourself if you would tolerate a houseguest conducting themselves in a manner that showed that they had no respect for you, your family, your property, your traditions or your implied house rules?

You would kick them out, plain and simple. No need for "hate" or anti-anything for this simple trait of human nature to be evoked as the resident RODOH psychotherapist should well know. Am I wrong here?

(anyone who is silly enough to answer yes, please find the nearest homeless person and open up your home to them - no rule, no restrictions and then bask in the glory of knowing your are not an "anti-vagrant" like all the rest of us)

And:
Sorry if I am losing you with my explanation that I am just a normal guy, not a NAZI. I am sure you would just love me to be one of these nuts, just to suit you own idiotic rational that anyone who challenges that Holocuast is one.
(He admits he "challenges" the Holocaust.)

And:
No I was referring to Sergys use of it to somehow describe anti-semitism which could never be honestly achieved by a Jewish writer.
Etc., etc.

The site's bogus claim of neutrality can also be shown by its list of preferred topics [screenshot], where we have "Amazing Stories: German Kindness". Interestingly, there is even "Treblinka Zoo" on the list. Denier obsession with minor allegedly absurd things in camps is also known, and Treblinka zoo is one of them, as this posting by denier "Saggy" at JREF Forum shows. In any case, the lack of veracity of the "database" is shown by the fact that its list of alleged diesel gassing witnesses includes historian Poliakov and journalist Grossman who were never interned in the camp.

8 comments:

Robert86 said...

I don't know why Richard just does not get why his accusations that "the Jews" brought misery upon themselves illicits such an angry response. First of all he is treating all Jews in Europe at the time as a monolithic entity. Second, he refers to them as "guests", a usual anti-semetic ploy that accuses Jews of not being fellow citizens.

While I do agree that conclusions can be made concerning the actions made in the name of a national group, that does not suggest that all members of said group agreed or carried out such actions. Just like how not all Germans where rabid Nazi's and not all Japanese where imperialistic, genocidal maniacs.

Obviously his site is a veiled attempt to give the allure of genuine skepticism and being "above the fray". Pointing out inconsistencies in the historical record is fine, but let them be genuine inconsistencies and contrived contraversies that so-called "revisionists" bring up time and again. At least his disclaimer admits the Holocaust happened but that still does not mean that Richard's site is not a veiled attempt to mitigate it.

Balsamo said...

Well as far as the disclaimer is concerned...Even the most nazis sites say something like this...

On the Adolf the Great web site, one can read
"This is not an antisemitic site and racial or other hatred is not promoted or condoned on this site.

So Richard says the holocaust happened, without saying what's his definition of the holocaust...

Nathaniel said...

- So Richard says the holocaust happened, without saying what's his definition of the holocaust...-

It's probably so he can tapdance whenever someone catches on to what he's trying to do. I mean, not focusing on the definition can allow him to say that he acknowledges that the Holocaust happened, but it was only an ethnic cleansing and not Genocide, or it happened but Gas Chambers weren't used, that sort of thing.

"Thomas Dalton" did the same thing: You can't exactly be a "Holocaust Denier" if you don't know what the term "Holocaust" means.

It's a pretty lame excuse, if you ask me...

- I don't know why Richard just does not get why his accusations that "the Jews" brought misery upon themselves illicits such an angry response.-

Because he's insane, and his posts here and at RODOH support this. The whole lot of them are. It's that simple

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

With some luck we'll have further entertaining utterances from the author of this site in a while. I'm just waiting for him to send me his next e-mail.

Richard said...

Thanks for this post.

I have just forwarded it to Richard Lauren.

Or am I Richard Lauren?

Guess that will be your next paranoid delusional accusation...

Tread carefully my friend, you might get burned...

Richard said...

NOTICE:

The owner of this website has just defamed Mr. Richard Lauren the owner of www.hsrdb.com by falsely attributing comments made by the user RichardAmies68@gmail.com to him on the basis that he has the same first name.

Need I say more.

I issue another online challenge to prove that RichardAmies68@gmail.com and Richard Lauren who owns www.hsrdb.com are the same people.

£1000.00 to anyone who can...

ROBERTO AND SERGY THIS MEAN YOU!!!!

Richard said...

"The site claims that its aim is "to assist historians, scholars and students interested in analyzing and comparing historical information". The original name of the site, obtained by Googling its mailing address, was Legitimate Revision [screenshots a, b]. We are of course wholly in favour of legitimate revision, but we might be curious as to why the site changed its name."

Of course the site is lying becuase the Almighty Roberto said so...

Paranoid delusional sociopathic dipstick!

You are not owned an explanation as you are a NOBODY.

Oh,for everyone else, if you didn't notice there are 16 sites in the project - this one was used as a TEST as it has the necessary extensions installed and is not used yet (and wont be for about 6-9 moths)has NEVER BEEN PUBLICIZED except by you...

THANKS FOR THAT BY THE WAY!

The revisionists supporting our Project will LOVE YOU!

Have you "exposed" any other sites we are involved with? NO!

(PS for the unbiased readers; that is because they are ALL HOLOCAUST SITES - Dipper here picked the ONE site registered to encourage REVISION and debate)

WOW you busted us! We want to have people visit our sites.

No, you CANT be truthful and NEVER let facts get in the way of some good innuendo - you are a CHERRY PICKER who LOVES to DISTORT the TRUTH to make a point.

Here is some advice - FUCK OFF LOSER.

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

Here is some advice - FUCK OFF LOSER.

Advice that our self-projecting hysteric (who seems desperately in need of convincing himself that he's a "success story") should address to himself.