Saturday, August 30, 2008

I must have become an obsession for poor little Gerdes, …

... judging by how he keeps running over to his CODOH buddies - i.e. to a forum he well knows I have been banned from – to mouth off about me.

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The fellow’s latest hysterical rampage can be witnessed in the CODOH thread NAFCASH throws Dullenkamp a bone, where Gerdes made a fuss about a recent change to his "challenge", already announced in his post # 1034 on the VNN thread Archeological Investigations of Treblinka.

My reply to this "bone" can be read in my VNN post # 1036, from which the following quote is taken:

What I'm waiting for, the self-projecting hysteric asks?

Let’s see …

I’m waiting for time and means to go to Sobibor, obtain permission to disturb the ash heap (which I doubt will be granted) and enlist the services of an expert to analyze the human remains and certify that they are in fact human remains (which I also doubt anyone will do for just little me).

So waiting for what comes of an assessment of the mass graves’ contents by the SAP and/or for a detailed report by Prof. Kola seems a more promising approach.


Even Gerdes’ fellow idiot "Mr. Nobody", who seems to have read this reply, must have realized that official permission to disturb the mound of human ashes at Sobibor (especially to the extent required in order to confirm by expert examination that and how many human ashes it contains) is an issue, judging by his reference to "Permits" in the mouthful of imbecile bluster he produced in his post of Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:47 pm.

And of course it’s not like I set my schedules by Gerdes' retarded howling, or have the time and means available tomorrow to travel to Sobibor, apply for a permit that is unlikely to be granted, and enlist the assistance of an expert who can analyze the ash mound’s contents for me, assuming I find someone willing and able to do that.

The next post on this CODOH thread contains some babbling about "integrity" from someone who should never even use the word – Jonni "Hannover" Hargis, the miserable coward who lacks even the minimum amount of integrity required to allow open, uncensored debate on his own forum (not to mention ever stepping out of his warm and cozy Führerbunker into the cold world of open debate).

Then, in his post of Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:02 pm, Gerdes indulged in one of his favorite games – misrepresenting my statements. The exchange that Gerdes "quoted":

"BTW Roberta, why do you keep running from the queations about the soil core samples of Sobibor? What do the frauds at the Sobibor Archaeology Project say those core samples are comprised of?"

The dull one:

"I don’t know what the members of the Sobibor Archaeology Project say about the composition of these samples. In my last phone conversation with Yoram Haimi, I forgot to ask this question. I shall ask it next time we speak."


never took place in the manner presented. Here’s what the conversation actually was like, see my VNN post # 954:

To Gerdes’ self-projecting question:

13 - BTW Roberta, why do you keep running from the queations about the soil core samples of Sobibor?


I answered as follows:

This was my answer to an identically worded previous question:

Quote:
Question irrelevant for the purpose of proving mass murder at Sobibor (which has already been proven anyway, see my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=811075&postcount=777 ) and also without relevance in the context of the NAFCASH challenge.

Nice guy’s answer to irrelevant question:

As lying Gerdes well knows, the only one who has been running away from questions regarding these core drill samples:

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/galerie/badania/F5.html


http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/galerie/badania/F6.html


http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/galerie/badania/F7.html


is Gerdes himself. I have asked him several times what, other than ashes of human bone and tissue, wood ashes, bone ash or lime the substances distinguishable from the light-brown soil in these samples could possibly be. He has neither provided an alternative explanation and nor had the courage to at least openly admit that he has no alternative explanation.


(I’m still waiting for Gerdes to answer my questions regarding these three core samples, by the way.)

Gerdes’ next question:

14 - What do the frauds at the Sobibor Archaeology Project say those core samples are comprised of?


I replied to as follows:

This was my answer to a set of previous questions including the above:

Quote:
Question irrelevant for the purpose of proving mass murder at Sobibor (which has already been proven anyway, see my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=811075&postcount=777 ) and also without relevance in the context of the NAFCASH challenge.

Nice guy’s answer to irrelevant question:

1. Unlike Mr. Gerdes and others of his ilk, the members of the Sobibor Archaeology Project are not frauds. They are serious and competent archaeologists.

2. What I have learned from them about these samples is that they pertain to Prof. Kola’s archaeological investigation in 2001, see above answer B.2.

3. This means that if – as is probably the case – these core samples were analyzed to confirm that they contain what their aspect suggests, this was done in 2001 by or on behalf of Prof. Kola’s team, and not by or on behalf of the Sobibor Archaeology Project.

I might add that I don’t know what the members of the Sobibor Archaeology Project say about the composition of these samples. In my last phone conversation with Yoram Haimi, I forgot to ask this question. I shall ask it next time we speak.


So what Gerdes did in his CODOH post of Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:02 pm was to

a) Omit my inconvenient reply to his question numbered 13,

b) Omit most of my reply to his question numbered 14,

c) Present his questions numbered 13 and 14 as a single block of questions, and

d) Present the last part of my answer to his question numbered 14 (which was an additional statement after the quote of an answer to a set of previous questions including the one numbered 14) as my only answer to that supposed block of questions.

Four smaller misrepresentations adding up to a bigger one – is that four lies, or is it just one? I'll let our readers decide.

Gerdes continued as follows:

Of course the liar has yet to actually answer the question. Seems he's tucked tail agian. What a coward.


I couldn’t agree more, as I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions about the Sobibor core samples, which Gerdes has been running away from ever since I first asked them.

Needless to say, I won't call up Yoram Haimi just to ask him a question that would allow me to answer Gerdes' question what the archaeologist's opinion about these core samples is. That has time until I talk to Mr. Haimi about further developments of the Sobibor Archaeology Project's work. It's not stinking Gerdes who gets to set my schedules.

Not content with the lies in his post of Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:02 pm, Gerdes spent most of his following posts on this thread (when he did not vent his frustration into rambling against the Sobibor Archaeological Project) trying to make believe I had claimed that Prof. Kola had taken samples from the Sobibor ash mound during his archaeological investigations in 2001, in which he discovered seven mass graves in the Sobibor killing area.

All that Gerdes achieved by these puny attacks, as so often before, was to show that he's too dumb to understand what I wrote, or then a very clumsy and transparent liar.

I guess one needs to have as many loose screws inside one's head as Gerdes has to understand my statement quoted in Gerdes’ post of Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:11 pm as containing a claim that Prof. Kola took core samples from the ash mound.

As to the loudest howling (with the inevitable "lying coward" self-projection) in Gerdes' post of Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:05 pm:

RM quote:

"The aspect of the substance that the mound consists of, which has a light gray coloration different from the light-brown color of the soil at Sobibor (see photos mentioned in answer B.3 above) suggests the accuracy of captions describing this mound as a mound consisting of or containing human ashes."

And my response:

"Notice how he's trying to imply that there have been core samples taken from the mound. Let's see the photos of these alleged core samples and let’s see the results of the analysis of the alleged samples."

Of course the lying coward refuses to produce the evidence.


a look at my VNN post # 916 is sufficient to expose another example of nonsense that can at best be attributed to the poor fellow’s meager intellect.

To Gerdes’ demand:

9 - Show us proof that the "huge ash mountain" of Sobibor is actually comprised of human ash.


I replied as follows, in post # 916:

Question irrelevant for the purpose of proving mass murder at Sobibor (which has already been proven anyway, see my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=811075&postcount=777 ), but of relevance for the "bonus reward" of the NAFCASH challenge.
Nice guy’s answer to question of limited relevance:

All captioned photos showing this mound of ash, while not necessarily if at all describing it as "huge" or as a "mountain", refer to it as being made up of or containing human ash. Photos of this mound include, without limitation, the photos shown under item IV.2.3 in my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=811075&postcount=777 and those shown under the following links:

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/galerie/sobibor_dzisiaj/slides/sobibor039.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/galerie/sobibor_dzisiaj/slides/sobibor040.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/galerie/sobibor_dzisiaj/slides/sobibor043.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/galerie/sobibor_dzisiaj/slides/sobibor082.html

The aspect of the substance that the mound consists of, which has a light gray coloration different from the light-brown color of the soil at Sobibor (see photos mentioned in answer B.3 above) suggests the accuracy of captions describing this mound as a mound consisting of or containing human ashes.

So does the associated documentary and eyewitness evidence proving that Sobibor was an extermination camp and that the bodies of the victims were disposed of by burning them, which is mentioned in my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=811075&postcount=777.

The conclusion that the mound in question is comprised of human ash is thus the conclusion that is borne out by all known evidence and belied by none. It is also the conclusion towards which various sources of evidence independent of each other converge. This convergence of various sources of evidence independent of each other, alone or together with the absence of any evidence to the contrary, is proof that the mound in question is comprised of human ash.


Did I say here that these core samples:

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/galerie/badania/F5.html


http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/galerie/badania/F6.html


http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/galerie/badania/F7.html


were taken from the ash heap, or that any samples were taken from the ash heap at all?

Of course not.

What I said was that

a) all known evidence about what happened at Sobibor supports the conclusion that the heap is actually made up of human ashes, and

b) so does the aspect of the heap, which has a light-gray coloration whereas the soil of Sobibor – as can be seen on the above-mentioned core sample photographs – has a light brown coloration.

In other words, my argument was that the substance that the mound consists of cannot be the soil of Sobibor, because the soil of Sobibor – as can be seen on core sample photographs taken elsewhere in the camp – has a different color than the substance of which the mound is made.

Whereas this "misunderstanding" still allows – with a huge amount of generosity – for giving Gerdes the benefit of doubt that it was due to his stupidity alone (notwithstanding the – unnecessary – clarification I provided in my VNN post # 1014 and repeated in my post # 1039) the same cannot be said of this quote-mining exercise:

"The human ashes that the mound at Sobibor is comprised of may have been dug out of one of more of the pits discovered by Prof. Kola in 2001."

Notice that he's too stupid to understand that the "ash mountain" has been there for years.


What the fellow obviously tried to make believe here is that I claimed the mound of human ashes at Sobibor to have resulted from Prof. Kola's excavations in 2001.

In VNN post # 916, I replied to Gerdes' question:

10 - Show us were the huge pit is that this "mountain of human ash" was dug out of.


as follows:

Question irrelevant for the purpose of proving mass murder at Sobibor (which has already been proven anyway, see my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=811075&postcount=777 ), and also without relevance for the "bonus reward" or the main reward of the NAFCASH challenge, as currently worded under http://www.nafcash.com/ .

Nice guy’s answer to irrelevant question:

The human ashes that the mound at Sobibor is comprised of may have been dug out of one of more of the pits discovered by Prof. Kola in 2001. They were probably brought to the surface by postwar robbery digging, which would mean it is impossible to determine which of the grave pits contained these specific ashes.


I highlighted the sentence that stinking liar Gerdes’ conveniently omitted in his CODOH post of Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:05 pm. He omitted it because it clearly shows what my assumption regarding the origin of the ashes that make up the Sobibor ash mound was: human ashes brought to the surface by postwar robbery digging were collected by the people in charge of the Sobibor memorial site and put together into this ash mound. In other words, what I’m supposedly "too stupid to understand" (that the ash mound has been at Sobibor long before Prof. Kola’s 2001 investigation) is exactly what follows from my highlighted statement.

So much for my having claimed that the ash mound at Sobibor has anything to do with Prof. Kola's 2001 investigation.

And so much for the truthfulness of quote-mining Gerdes.

Following yet another of Gerdes’ self-defeating rampages, we have some Greek clown who calls himself "KostasL" and, in his post of Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:46 pm, echoed the conspiracy theories previously uttered by "Hannover" Hargis and the fellow who aptly calls himself "Mr. Nobody", as follows:

I ask you this :

What if they finally come with falsified evidence that "proves" their claims ?

It is very easy to provide false lab analysis from the cores and virtually anything else that helps their cause.

Is there any independent individual amongst them, who is incorruptible and only seeks the truth ?
Or are they all, determined "Holocaustians" who would accomplish their mission by any means ?


Poor jerk. His presumably self-projecting paranoia suggests that Jonathan Harrison was right in the prediction he made in his post # 2157 on the RODOH forum:

Significantly, Gerdes and Hargis are already moving the goalposts. Whereas previously their gambit was "there are no photos", their new gambit is "how do we know that this black ash came from the excavation area and was not brought in from elsewhere?" That's the game they'll play throughout this process. The threshold of proof will be lifted higher and higher and increasingly absurd conspiracy theories will be offered as to how the evidence was produced - "the bone fragments were brought in from another site" or "Sobibor had a mass typhus outbreak and the allies destroyed the documents that describe the epidemic" or "the remains are really German troops that were killed by partisans".


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