Friday, November 30, 2007

Dodgeball at CODOH

One of Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis's stock-in-trade tricks -- other than, of course, deleting posts and claiming there's no censorship at CODOH, baiting people who he has barred from posting at CODOH, and doing his little victory dance from within the walls of the Führerbunker -- is to change the subject of a thread and then claim the person with whom he is debating is "dodging."

With the admission of HC Blog rookie of the year Jonathan Harrison to CODOH, we got a great example.

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The fun begins on this thread about Dr. Joachim Neander and his statements about the making of soap from human bodies in limited experiments near Danzig. This material does not involve Jon Harrison, so you may want to jump down to the next bolded and italicized section.

Hargis's post of Halloween at 7:54 p.m. (all times EST) is his first post in this thread, along with his cryptic remark: "Your own information refutes what you claim."

However, as can be seen in the next post, Carto's Cutlass Supreme (CCS; one of Hargis's key lackeys) actually agrees with Dr. Neander. But not able to even be civil to people that are on his own side, Hargis's post of Nov. 1 at 8:47 a.m. attacks Dr. Neander and CCS -- a rare treat.

Dr. Neander responded the same day at 3:25 p.m., pointing Hargis to his own published research and other papers on the topic. Beginning at 5:14 p.m., Hargis began to respond, first with the post in which he gives us this classic: "Why not make soap from pig fat? A butchered pig too valuable? Right."

Well, Jonnie, pig fat is used to mark lard, which was the only type of shortening available for cooking for a large part of Europe at the time. And pork is food, let's not forget -- food that can be eaten by soldiers at the front and citizens on rations at home. At 7:55 the same evening, Jonnie made another post -- apparently in response to himself.

The next post by Hargis was on Nov. 2 at 1:31 p.m., writing simply, "Perhaps Neander can provide a verifiable Hague catalog number for this 'human soap'." He posted against a mere twelve minutes later, again attacking CCS for having pointed out to "Kiwichap" that it's clear the New Zealander never read Dr. Neander's work.

When Dr. Neander posted again, that same day at 6:27 p.m., he nailed Hargis on his ad hominem remarks and then reiterates his position, which Hargis seems unable to understand. When Hargis parried at 11:18 p.m., he twice accuses Dr. Neander of "dodging," although the points that Dr. Neander hadn't answered were minor at best.

The following morning at 7:15 a.m., Dr. Neander stated his points a third time. At 8:30 a.m., Hargis, still mentally incapable of understanding Dr. Neander's position and being his usual obnoxious self, accuses Dr. Neander again of "dodging."

Once again, CCS comes to Dr. Neander's defense at 2:40 p.m. and Hannover attacks his own ally (talk about shitting where you eat) on Nov. 5 at 1:56 p.m., also attacking Dr. Neander by referring to his research in sneer quotes.

The next substantive post comes from Dr. Neander on November 28 at 6:48 p.m., where he apparently provides the very Hague catalog number that Hannover has been bleating about in previous posts. On November 29 at 12:17 a.m., we get yet another charge of "dodging" by Hargis of Dr. Neander. Never mind that Dr. Neander has provided the very number Hargis has asked for. Now Hargis wants Dr. Neander to do his research for him. As if we didn't already know how lazy Hargis is. At 4 a.m., Dr. Neander provided more sources for Hargis.

Finally, the "moderator" (i.e., Hargis) enters at 12:02 p.m., accusing Dr. Neander of not producing the research he has been asked to. I count at least three posts in which Dr. Neander provides perfectly valid sources for Hargis to check on himself — after all, Hargis works in a library. But no, he's just too lazy.

At 3 p.m. CCS comes yet again to Dr. Neander's defense and at 4:33 p.m., Hargis attacks his ally.

Finally, at 4:47 p.m. on Nov. 29, Jonathan Harrison enters the fray. (He posts at great length on the Walter Sanning threat.) Jonathan asks, quite simply, "Does Hannover apply this same principle to the "Krege Report"?"

On the (at this writing) final page of the Neander thread, Hargis posts on November 29 at 5:10 p.m., defending Krege and given reasons why the Dude With Enormous Lawnmower hasn't published his own reearch. Dr. Harrison asks at 5:32 p.m. why Krege doesn't publish online. Hargis responds at 5:53 p.m., "I don't know for sure, maybe he wouldn't mind recovering some of his expenses via paper publication."

(Remember, kids: Hargis is a librarian but doesn't know that publications in peer-reviewed publications don't pay anything at all.)

Hargis then goes on to ask Jonathan to produce evidence for a mass grave of 900,000 Jews at Treblinka. Hargis finishes the post by providing a humorous picure of the Dude With Enormous Radad, repeating the unprovable claim that Krege had the photo taken in Poland. (Wouldn't the curators of the museum at Treblinka have been mildly curious what some Dude With an Enormous Lawnmower was doing?) Hargis also reproduces Krege's alleged results, which, without some kind of legend to accompany the figure, prove nothing.

Jonathan responds brilliantly at 6:10 p.m.: "I don't have to debunk a 'report' that the author has failed to substantiate with a published methodology. I merely have to apply the criterion that you applied to Neander's source . . . So, by your own criterion, I am entitled to laugh Krege out of court, 'as the saying goes'."

In jumps Dr. Neander at 6:16 p.m. He once again cites the bibliographic data for his article, which Hargis the librarian should be able to use. Instead, Hargis first replies to Jonathan (6:16 p.m.): "Neander has made a claim about a so called published study, he cannot produce it"; and then to Dr. Neander: "IOW, Neander, a True Believer, cannot produce the study he claims exists."

(Not to put too fine a point on it, Jonnie Hargis works in a library.)

Jonathan had made the below post:
This is an off-topic request and thus against forum rules. I brought up Krege because of your hypocritical claim that "If there was a credible, verifiable study we'd be seeing it." The meaning of that sentence is that we do not have to take seriously a study that the author has not made fully visible. For you to ask me to comment on a non-existent (according to your own criterion) study is therefore hypocrisy as well as against forum rules concerning off-topic diversions.
We know Jonathan made this post because Hargis, having deleted it, is retarded enough to reproduce it anyway at his post of 7:23 p.m. (We also have a screenshot of it.)

Jonathan made a post at 7:44 p..m. (screenshot here) and another at 8:48 p.m. (screenshot).

The "moderator" appeared again at 9:01 p.m. and told Hargis (who talks to himself often, apparently) and Dr. Harrison, that they were off-topic. In other words, Jonathan was handing Hargis's ass to him on a platter, so he bailed.

Now, I ask in conclusion, for a man who claims other people "dodge" questions, who does more dodging at CODOH than anyone else?

1 comment:

Jonathan Harrison said...

Andrew, many thanks. My further encounters at CODOH, with appropriate screenshots, can be found on the RODOH threads at the Memory Hole here:http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm18