Wednesday, December 06, 2006

Has the Ugly Voice Ever Heard of World War II?

Episode 21 [YouTube version] begins with the Ugly Voice asking us why the volumes of evidence left at Treblinka and Auschwitz were so different. Again relying on Mattogno and Graf's reproduction of the GARF report on the discovery of Treblinka, we are told the Soviets found almost nothing at Treblinka, whereas there were literally piles of evidence left at Auschwitz.

At this point in the clip, I actually asked myself, "Is this guy aware that there was a war going on?"

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There were a few reasons why I asked myself that question, but rather than answer them rhetorically, maybe it's better just to compare the situations at the Soviet arrival at Treblinka versus their arrival at Auschwitz.

Where were the camps located? Treblinka was located about 100 km northeast of Warsaw. Auschwitz was located 60 km west of Cracow. There are 260 km between Cracow and Warsaw as the crow flies, so being generous, we can say that there was approximately 400 km between the camps, or about 250 miles.

When were the camps reached by the Soviets? The Soviets reached Treblinka in August 1944. They reached Auschwitz in January 1945.

What was the situation on the Eastern Front regarding these dates and places? Using this map, we can see where the front lay at different points between the Treblinka uprising in August 1943 and a few weeks before the Soviet arrival at Auschwitz. The area in which Treblinka lay was taken between April 30, 1944, and August 19, 1944. By the end of 1944, the Soviets had still not reached Auschwitz, though they were within 40 km of the camp. But where was the Red Army in the fall of 1943, when Treblinka was being dismantled and destroyed? They had not even crossed the 1919 Polish border yet.

So how quickly did the Soviets then reach Auschwitz? As we noted, in less than a month. But more importantly, you can see how quickly the Soviets covered this territory and further into German to Berlin here.

In case the point has escaped you to the point that it escaped the UV, there was a big hurry to evacuate Auschwitz, as opposed to Treblinka.

It's true that an order to end exterminations was given in November 1944. This order was not given by Hitler, however. It was given by Heinrich Himmler, and it remains unclear whether Hitler knew that the order had been given. Himmler during this time had begun to try to seek a separate peace with the western Allies in order to be able to put his Waffen-SS on the Eastern Front to beat back the Soviets. For his attempts at acting as a plenipotentiary, Hitler would eventually expel Himmler from the party and put a price on his head.

So we can see that the order to end exterminations given by Himmler was not because the enemy was at the gates, but rather to buy time to make negotiations. However, the evacuation of the camp was carried out with the enemy at the gates.

This is a point that the UV either ignores, doesn't know, or purposefully omits. None of these tactics is accessible.

Among other observations offered by the UV in Episode 21 is his feeling that a Soviet newsreel of the discovery of tons of human hair at Auschwitz features a man who "has to go over the top to show that this is human hair." To me it just looks like the man is adjusting his hat. The UV tries his hand at reminding us that there was also, supposedly, a bucket of human heads left at Auschwitz, but Roberto has already proved this false.

If the UV's main point in this piece is that the Nazis left too much evidence of mass murder behind, as well as too many eyewitnesses, then he's quite simply wrong. The piles of hair, clothing, glasses, etc., are shocking, to be sure, but they are far from a smoking gun, like a gas chamber. And the gas chambers had been detonated by the SS -- another point the UV fails to mention.

As for eyewitnesses, none of the people left in sick bay could have testified to gas chambers, because none of them had seen them. The vast majority of the prisoners who were found by the Red Army had never set foot in Birkenau.

But the UV actually does give us a great piece of evidence before the piece is over. When he shows the clip from Mr. Death of Robert Jan van Pelt discussing "Nazi code words," he actually shows van Pelt showing one of the single most incriminating documents ever found -- the Vergasungskeller document.

The UV sank his own ship on this one. I wonder if he's even aware...

5 comments:

104839sobe104839 said...

Is this guy trying to make himself look like a lunatic?

Anonymous said...

I am new to this blog, so let me preface anything I may post that despite what I think of the truths or myths that surround WWII, I am still very glad that the Allies won and we live in a free and democratic society, when people can openly (cough cough) and freely (cough cough again) talk about ideas and events. Also, since this blog’s stated goal is to also have some fun, I may, here and there have some fun of my own with your postings, as you may have with mine, not in any way meant to disrespect the many victims of the Nazis.

Speaking of professor Van Pelt, he told us at the Irving-Lipstadt trial that the Germans spend some time removing all the gassing related paraphernalia (ventilators, chimneys etc) and filed up the holes in the exposed concrete roof so well that no trace of them is visible today. (Oh yeah, I forgot, some of his friends didn’t quite believe what he was saying was possible, they finally ‘found’ the holes).

The Germans removed things, filled up holes, had people clean and shine the gas chambers and ovens, all that before they blew them up, but they were too much in a rush to burn the hair. And they forgot to destroy the construction office with all the ‘incriminating’ blueprints of the gas chambers.

Little did the Germans know though that shaved hair to avoid typhus would be exhibited as evidence of systematic gas-chambering genocide. I guess in the absence of much other evidence.

As far as Vergasungkeller, we got them there (the Germans), a smoking gun, they slipped up, a document or two out of a million or more that survived the war. Let alone that a German would have never-ever have used that word to describe a gas chamber.

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

>Speaking of professor Van Pelt, he told us at the Irving-Lipstadt trial that the Germans spend >some time removing all the gassing related paraphernalia (ventilators, chimneys etc) and filed >up the holes in the exposed concrete roof so well that no trace of them is visible today. (Oh >yeah, I forgot, some of his friends didn’t quite believe what he was saying was possible, they >finally ‘found’ the holes).

Yeah, van Pelt’s theory about the backfilling has been disproven by more recent research, which found the holes. So van Pelt was wrong about this issue. Big deal.

>The Germans removed things, filled up holes, had people clean and shine the gas chambers >and ovens, all that before they blew them up, but they were too much in a rush to burn the >hair.

I don’t know about any cleaning and shining, I know that they dismantled the crematoria and later blew up what remained behind. This they may have started doing when Himmler ordered a stop to the mass killing of the Jews in October or November 1944, so they had plenty of time.

>And they forgot to destroy the construction office with all the ‘incriminating’ blueprints of the >gas chambers.

In the introduction of his 1993 book about the crematoria of Auschwitz, Pressac wrote that the contents of the construction office remained untouched because its last director, SS lieutenant Werner Jothann, ignored the incriminating content of some the documents contained therein, as he had not been involved in the construction of the crematoria carried out under his predecessor, SS-captain Karl Bischoff. I’d say that’s a plausible explanation. And some of the documents are incriminating indeed, even if your faith keeps you from acknowledging this.

>Little did the Germans know though that shaved hair to avoid typhus would be exhibited as >evidence of systematic gas-chambering genocide.

Hair shaved to avoid typhus would hardly have traces of hydrogen cyanide on it, don’t you think so?

>I guess in the absence of much other evidence.

That guess shows your ignorance.

>As far as Vergasungkeller, we got them there (the Germans), a smoking gun, they slipped up, a >document or two out of a million or more that survived the war.

A million or more? What set of documentation exactly are you referring to?

And yes, the “Vergasungskeller” was a slip by Mr. Bischoff, caught between the demand of discretion and the need to provide precise information to his superior.

>Let alone that a German would have never-ever have used that word to describe a gas >chamber.

Horseshit. The rooms were called “Leichenkeller” in the blueprints, which literally means “corpse cellars”, and this particular “Leichenkeller” was the one meant for gassing, so it’s only logical that Bischoff referred to it as the “Vergasungskeller”. And don’t give me that crap about what “a German would have” or not, please. Do you even read and speak German? I do, in fact I’m a native speaker of the language.

Sergey Romanov said...

"and filed up the holes in the exposed concrete roof so well that no trace of them is visible today"

Did van Pelt state this as a fact, or did he put it forth as a hypothesis?

Andrei said...

Treblinka II ended its genocide-related activities in October 1943 while Auschwitz continued to operate for more than a year.It's obvious that the Nazis had plenty of time to cover their traces at Treblinka (although they failed to do so thoroughly) while at Auschwitz the Red Army arrived ten days after the camp had been evacuated, so there wasn't enough time for destroying everything. Such a calculation would have made things clear for UV.