Erber: I estimate that the number of gassed people is 500.000 to 750.000, but I cannot be certain because I don't have the files anymore.
Bierbrauer: You've said more wasn't possible. What does that mean? More as a million or...
Erber: We shouldn't forget it was war. Firstly, the transport capacities were lacking and secondly the extermination itself that didn't work either. I've read in this Dings, 20.000 dead per day. Without doubt impossible.
Bierbrauer: Why was it impossible?
Erber: Because it wasn't realizable. You couldn't do this.
Steiner: You mean technically?
Erber: Nee. [apparently he means "no, it was not technically possible"]
Steiner: So you say about 750.000.
Erber: Up to 750, but that's the absolute maximum.
Steiner: But you don't include people who were shot...
Steiner: ...or died otherwise?
Erber: [incomprehensible]....with the executions at the black wall, these were death sentences mostly, at the black wall etc. and with the injections etc....I calculate 280.000
Steiner: So in total how many people perished in Auschwitz?
Erber: In Auschwitz almost a million, but this is an estimate.
Bierbrauer: But Mr. Erber does it make a big difference if it were 1 million according to you estimation or say 2 million according to others?
Erber: It couldn't be, look I was there from 40 to 45 and so many were not killed there.
Heh, Erber was more or less correct, of course. Certainly more correct than many historians of that era. Now, if Erber was coerced, why would he even argue about the number with some interviewers?
Steiner: Do you remember that the Sonderkommando was gassed periodically, that they stayed exactly 6 months and then...
Erber: Steiner, we have so many of the Sonderkommandos who are still alive today. Look, a certain Miller from Prag was already in the small crematorium and when the people were shot and gassed and buried. I wrote this to you...
Erber: ...that after some time the blood water was coming up and they were exhumed and burned. And a certain Buckl, he now lives in, I don't know now, I still have the adresses from the trial, Miller lives in Prag and Buckl lives in America or Australia. Some are still living in France.
Steiner: So you are saying it is not true?
Erber: The one, which did the excavations, came away as a whole. But they were not gassed in Auschwitz, they were sent to Majdanek, 200 men.
Steiner: When was this?
Erber: This was end of 42, beginning of 43. First they wanted to bury them [apparently the gassed Jews not the SK], but then the blood water came up and they made the graves for the burning.
Steiner: Yes, so when was this, was this 42 or 43? You said the whole thing was in 1944, right?
Steiner: The uprising...
Erber: The uprising was in 1944, but I mean the Kommando which came away....
Erber: That was 42 or early 43. Before the big crematoria were ready.
Steiner: Yes, yes. And what was with the blood? At this time there was nothing with the blood, which trickled out, that was after the uprising, wasn't it?
Erber: No, no, that was at the graves.
Steiner: At the graves, okay...
Erber: That was at the graves, the people were gassed and put into the graves and then the...
Steiner: Since when was this, 43?
Erber: End of 42 or
Steiner: Ah yes.
Erber: beginning of 43. This hadn't anything to do with the gassing over there. This was the gassing in that farm house, I also wrote you about this.
Steiner: Yes you have.
Erber: That was from the former community Raisko, which was completely evacuated and only two buildings were left.
Blood from the graves, again.