Saturday, April 15, 2006

Just another poor, persecuted "revisionist" victim

Certain "Haldan" at the Cesspit writes:
I have been involved in several discussions lately and all I hear in response is how evil those who does not believe in the allegations that the Germans are supposed to have "gassed" people are, all they can come up with in response is that he or she is a "nazi", and my discsussion partners will even use the quote at the index of the NIZKOR organisation to prove that it is the aim of not believing in such absurdities to "white-wash" National Socialism. A quote from somebody who NIZKOR probably believes represents our thoughts and feelings--what else could they be thinking when they put such tripe so prominently; in any case people will use it to win the argument by labeling the non-Believer a "nazi" and somebody who wants to "white-wash", or as the quote alleges, make National Socialism an "acceptable political alternative again". I just shake my head. I don't know what to reply to such idiocy.

Instead of trying to prove how evil those who does not share their belief are, why can't they explain the procedure of burning one thousand or two thousand people in a swamp, each day and night? Perhaps they would be willing to explain the procedure required for maintaining and cleaning a "gas chamber" in which two thousand bodies has been "gassed" with a fumigant? Why do they not answer such questions. How does one cremate multiple bodies in mere minutes, when it is perfectly known, that it takes sometimes more than one hour to burn just one?

These are just three questions which I have never seen one answer for.

Ah, those evil "exterminationists"! Why would they call an honest seeker of Truth a Nazi?

Here's why.

This "Haldan" (also known as "k0nsl", "Franz Holtzhaeuser", "Micke Andersson", "Jonathan Andersson", "System33r"; "JackBQuick"; apparently he resides in Sweden) has left quite a "paper trail" of the quotes such as these:
Let us make a new beginning today so that we can annihilate the Jew[*]
the Jews are our misfortune. [meta tag at *]
Thanks for giving us such interesting insights of this ancient race of coprophiliacs, urolagniacs, menstruophobes, incest addicts, child rapists, child murderers, slavers, pimps, pornographers, con artists, genocide artists, bloodsuckers, extortioners, and purveryors of filth etc,. etc,. -- the JEW. [*]

[About the above quote:] Those were not insults but rather ambient facts. I need not insult the Jews, one may only note their behaviour; but doing so will earn you the well-known 'anti-Semite' label, which Jews are generous of handing out whenever they wish. [*]
Two thousand children rejoiced with Julius Streicher....

The Gauleiter [Streicher] told the little ones about the terrible times after the war, when the Devil dominated mankind. "Do you know who the Devil is," he asked his breathlessly listening audience. "The Jew, the Jew," resounded from a thousand children's voices.[*]
Obviously untrue and only a Jew would continue after being instructed that the claim is not true. [*]
It is true, isn't it, Mathis? Somebody instructs you that your claims has no basis in reality, that they lack merits and that there simply isn't any proof whatsoever for your claims - yet you continue in the same spirit. It is only possible in the mind of a Jew. They never get it, and when you tell them, they just deny the information, pretend they never saw it, and repeat their false claims. [*]
Maybe you two should ask the question why Jews lie so often and so much. It should prove interesting even for your low standards. [*]
Jews' are famous for arson.

:) [*]
It does make a difference to point out that you are a Jew, another one in the line, to make false and fictitious claims. This is what Jews are famous for and I don't understand why it should be considered 'anti-semitism' to point that out. [*]
Jewish logic is incredibly awkward. It is truly idiotic. [*]
No, Mathis, you're a Jew. A quick look in the mirror will certainly tell, those 'eyes of death' [yes; they truly look lifeless], the ugly shape of the thin cranium, those obscenely huge ears, lets not even mention the nose. The mouth looks like a small hole, lips are hard to tell, probably a puffy under-lip. Apart from that, it looks like your forehead is retreating. No manly traits, either.


You're a Jew. Be proud [*]

Dear Mr. Mathis,

Can you verify if it really is you on the below photograph or if it isn't?

andrew.mathis.net/mathis.jpg

The eyes of that person look very deceitful. You say you are a Jew and
I have seen this trait in other Jews aswell. I can give examples.

Faithfully,
-F. H [*]
Well, that at least proves that you're not an anti-Semite.
Exactly. I hope you mean it, because it is a well-known fact, that many Jews will write one thing and it will mean something entirely different. [*]
If there was a "holocaust" it must have been of insignificant and absolutely laughable proportions; if so, why are the Jews moaning about it so much, whenever they get a chance?
The German civilian population who was the victim of repeated fire-bombs are "holocaust" victims a hundred times more than the Jews who were just sent to concentration camps (safe-keeping), where they learned how to work, how to be somewhat decent.
There was no "jewish holocaust", no "gas chambers" and no "systematic extermination". A couple of them died in the end of the war because of the conditions imposed on Germany by the Allied bombers (the infrastructure broke down completely), and a couple of them died while trying to play soldiers without belonging to a proper army, and whilst not wearing a recognized uniform -- you know, terrorists or as it used to be called; partisans. Cowards who usually ambushed the victims, but never engaged the enemy in a honest way.
To hell with the "holocaust" lies and those who try to uphold them. [*]
Germany was forced into war. The jews declared war on Germany 1933[*]
I guess you have just verified that what I said in regards to Jews, making false claims whilst having been informed of their false nature, was true afterall. [*]
Bring every little Jud' with you from America and various European countries so that we might have some peace, decency and also a reinstatement of morals, values and such.
With your people at the controls there is nothing else to expect but a decline of what I just mentioned above. These are perfectly normal observations and is not "hatred", which I am sure you will probably "spew" out from the tip of the lip, its always like that, when confronted with something you cannot handle. [*]


Um. Why would anybody assume that such a nice guy is a Nazi?

22 comments:

Xcalibur said...

Thanks, Sergey...

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

One quote is not by me, merely borrowed and somewhat modified:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//k/katz.harry/1998/katz.9805

I should have given credit where credit is due. In the meantime, I suggest you stop making false claims about my identity unless you can prove your assertions. Linking to discussions which I have never taken part in will hardly prove anything, quite the opposite.

One must understand that honesty is not what you are known for, this is particularly evident when one sees the pushing of false, unproven claims...

Nick Terry said...

The relevant quote slightly modified by Mr Holtzhaeuser aka k0nsl was
CARLOS W. PORTER expectorates:

I deeply regret all the pain and suffering which I may
inadverten have inflicted upon this ancient race of
coprophiliacs, urolagniacs, menstruophobes, incest addicts,
child rapists, child murderers, slavers, pimps, pornographers,
con artists, genocide artists, bloodsuckers, extortioners, and
purveryors of filth generally, by the crude, offensive,
and vulgar term of abuse -- JEW -- rather than by the proper
term of respect, which is -- KIKE.


and he honestly expects the world to believe he is not an antisemite?

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

nick terry:

The post on this blog is making the allegation that I am supposed to be a "nazi"--there is no mention of "antisemitism".

Perhaps you are writing about Porter; you are not very clear in your assumptions.

Either way, my point is that assertions has been made against this writer which are unproven; claims of identity, belief in "nazism" or that I am a "nazi" and also now, apparently, that I am guilty of being a "antisemite".

You were invited on the forum to discuss the claims of "antisemitism" which had been directed in my way, but you refused to discuss the claims because it "bored" you--yet here you are writing "he honestly expects the world to believe he is not an antisemite", as if you imply that I am such.

I am not a "antisemite" nick terry. I do have strong opinions, observations and I am not afraid to criticise those who call themselves Jews, and specificially those who have made false claims against this writer, never backed up with any sort of proof.

Faithfully,
-F. H

Andrew E. Mathis said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
Franz Holtzhäuser said...

I missed the comment before you deleted it. How convenient.

Anyway, there is a thread about this issue on the forum and all participants who owns this blog are members of the forum, so if you think you can prove your assertions and debate them, I welcome you to try.

I do not have time to engage in discussions on the forum and this "blog".
-F. H

Sergey Romanov said...

> I suggest you stop making false claims about my identity unless you can prove your assertions.

And which assertions are false, exactly?

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Sergeyromanov:

You know precisely which of your assertions are false and they have been debated (extensively by me; avoided by others; assertions are made but never discussed or debated).

Should you wish to pursuit the matter further I would be willing to point you in the direction of several discussions at the forum of which you, too, are a participant.

The question which I have is whether or not you would be willing to debate any of the assertions made. I note that you certainly have never tried to prove them in the past, unless your way of proving a point is to repeat the claims.

Faithfully,
-F. H

Sergey Romanov said...

You haven't identified any false assertions. QED.

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Sergeyromanov:

I certainly have many times, its all available for you to read on the forum. A quick search or a quick look on your own posts will tell that I have addressed plenty of your assertions. However, one thing is very obvious, you have never defended one assertion with any proof, ever.

As I said, I welcome you to debate your assertions on the forum, and I suggest you peruse one of the existing threads or create a new thread.

Faithfully,
-F. H

Sergey Romanov said...

Still waiting for evidence of "false assertions".

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Sergeyromanov:

You are welcome to locate the relevant discussion of this subject on the forum of which you are a member. Please do not pretend that you do not know what I am writing about.

Of course, I could locate all the relevant links myself and post them on this blog, but do you really want that, seeing as none of the asserions has been linked with any proof, not even so much a hint of proof has been supplied to verfy any of the assertions that has been made.

Apart from that, do you want people on this blog to find out your foul ways of addressing other people, which they surely will see when they read your forum posts? If I were you I wouldn't want anyone to see that.

As for myself, I have nothing to hide, and I am not afraid to criticise anybody, even if that person happens to be Jewish. It is my right to do so. It is also my right to ask a person to substantiate his or her claims and instruct the person in question of the false nature of the claims that are directed in my way--yes--even if that person happens to be Jewish.

I direct you in the way of the forum to locate the discussion which you have been a participant of, and as you know, in which you also have made unsubstantiated assertions as well. Perhaps you don't quite remember?

Faithfully,
-Franz H.

Nick Terry said...

There's a new post on that thread at RODOH from Andrew. We'll be updating

Since 'Franz Holtzhaeuser' most certainly is k0nsl, by his own admission, we consider this matter to be completely settled once and for all.

Non-antisemites and non-Nazis do not quote Julius Streicher

Non-antisemites and non-Nazis also do not quote Carlos Porter

End of story.

Sergey Romanov said...

Note how "k0nsl" did not quote any "false assertions".

marsattacks said...

Kunsl, if you were on fire I wouldn't even piss on you.

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

I note that an additional quote has been added which was never written by this author. I rejected this quote on your forum when it was first posted and instructed, I believe, nick terry that this last quote which has recantly been added to this website, never was written by me.

Perhaps you somehow managed to miss my response in regards to this quote on the forum. However, you now know that this quote was never written by me. I trust that in the future you will follow my advice of contacting me so we can verify if a quote was written by me or not.

Faithfully,
-Franz H.

Sergey Romanov said...

It does not matter whether "k0nsl" is the ultimate originator of the quote. If he quotes Julius Streicher (without even specifying the author), he takes full responsibility for the content.

Sergey Romanov said...

From here:

"I guess you have just verified that what I said in regards to Jews, making false claims whilst having been informed of their false nature, was true afterall. As it is evident from this posting and the additional "quotes" which has been added here:
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/04/just-another-poor-persecuted.html

The last one is untrue and I instructed whoever posted it on the forum; yet you continue making the claim that I wrote this? I guess this shouldn't surprise very much. False claims and lies seems to be standard operation amongst you people. Dishonesty is also high on the list."

The last one is about Jews starting the war. I don't see any correction on that page.

But this comment will also go to the collection.

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Very nice Sergey Romanov. All very nice!

Thanks for proving your dishonesty again.

The quote which I was specificially writing about was this one:

"okay you low-minded jews if you'd like to attack me because i call you JEWS which is a not so nice word to be called if you AREN'T a Jew...You can go to http://teksys.joshie.com/ or http://teksys.joshie.com and click the links and get to my profile and attack me. That'd be great. Oh, there's also a forum, which, by the way is better than this and it is: http://teksys.joshie.com/forum/ alot of categories. It's neat, JEWS#!?"

That is one more quote which I did not write, it is an outright fabrication and was never written by this author; this is also true for many of the quotes contained in the file created by a manipulative person who call himself "Digerati". We discussed this in the forum too, see. I tried to locate the specific threads but I can't find them, perhaps they were deleted...

Whichever! You are not a very honest person, Sergey Romanov. The last two quotes were added immediately after I made my last post. I don't know who did it, but I assume it was you, since you are the author of the article itself.

Sergey Romanov said...

When you accuse someone of dishonesty, either you prove it, or you are dishonest yourself.

<<"Thanks for proving your dishonesty again.">>

When did I show it before?

<<"The quote which I was specificially writing about was this one:">>

Here is what you wrote above:

"I note that an additional quote has been added which was never written by this author. I rejected this quote on your forum when it was first posted and instructed, I believe, nick terry that this last quote which has recantly been added to this website, never was written by me."

Since you never specified what the quote was, and neither gave any link, I made assumptions. If you were serious about removing this quote, you would have indicated which quote that was. You didn't, so it's entirely your fault if I made a mistake while guessing what you meant.

I will remove the quote for the time being. Do you have any idea who was that posting under your name?

Now, given that you haven't shown any of my alleged dishonesty, you're automatically dishonest yourself. But we knew that already, didn't we.

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Sergey Romanov:

You knew precisely which quote I was writing about. It was the last one you added when I had written my previous reply on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:36:17 AM, then you quickly added others and wrote a reply indicating that I meant something entirely different, by posting a quote that I did actually write, but certainly not the one I was mentioning in my previous reply. You knew this of course. Don't play immature games.

Thanks for having the decency to at least remove the quote. I do not know who is posting messages using my nickname "k0nsl".

Faithfully,
-Franz H.

Sergey Romanov said...

OK, I seem to understand what's going on here.

"You knew precisely which quote I was writing about."

No. Here's how you wrote about it here:

"I note that an additional quote has been added which was never written by this author. I rejected this quote on your forum when it was first posted and instructed, I believe, nick terry that this last quote which has recantly been added to this website, never was written by me."

Since quotes were added not one by one, but in groups, it was up to you to point out here which of the newly added quotes you meant. You didn't do it, so it's your fault.

You did indicate that it was a "last quote" in a comment under a wholly different posting. I remember that I have read it only much later, while browsing the whole blog for new comments. (At that time all comments were e-mailed only to Nick Terry).

So your accusations of dishonesty are unfounded, as usual.