Somebody has called our attention to some relatively new items at the website of the Buchenwald Memorial, namely, a dossier about the artefacts allegedly made from human bodies.
Some notable new information:
- a small lampshade, thought to have been a fake for decades (after a forensic test claimed it could not have been made from human skin) has been retested in 2023 and was proven to have been produced from human skin after all;
- a piece of the lampshade in Pister's office has been found and ordered to be tested, the results are pending (our previous conclusion was that it's unlikely to be human skin, but the test results can refute it, of course);
- some barely known shrunken head imitation has finally been shown to be a fake in 2023 (this has nothing to do with the original shrunken heads found in Buchenwald, of course);
- a pocket knife case alleged to have been made from human skin has been ordered to be tested, with results pending;
- three tattooed skin pieces were tested, with the expert concluding two of them were of human origin, the third probably not (possibly pig skin), albeit the Memorial disagrees with the latter conclusion since this piece is also documented to have come from the camp pathology department; and indeed, pigs don't have tattoos in the first place.
The article "Nazi shrunken heads, human skin lampshades, human soap, textiles from human hair? Sorting out the truth from the legends" has been updated accordingly.
Thanks for the great work you and your fellows do on this site Sergey. I commend you all
ReplyDeleteHave you any plans to debunk the ludicrous Holocaust.claims site?
ReplyDeleteMost of the arguments on there are ripped from Mattogno so the Auschwitz denial is really just irrelevant. I had a dispute with the owner of the site on X and showed her the shitty misconception of the 300kg capacity lift in Krema2 (she thought it was the maximum when it’s the minimum capacity) and she was like “look! holocaustians have nothing to say about the stupid gassing process!”
DeleteThere’s definitely some new arguments on that site that need to be refuted though. But she’s not hard to take care of whatsoever
Particularly the Majdanek and Treblinka articles have me concerned, since there’s no refutations on here that I could find. But it’s easy to tell she’s kind of a dunce.
DeleteYeah she’s really not doing much new but I think part of my wanting to refute her is mainly due to her white supremacist views but also in a small way cause she published my email on X (after I’d emailed her asking why she believes the debunked claims of MGK, codoh etc) Which in turn led to a bunch of Neo - Nazis to send me emails asking me for proof of mass graves, gas chambers etc. I responded to them with refutations from this site and then they basically said I’d go to hell for defending the Jews (I’m an atheist btw).
DeleteI still think she should be debunked by this site and I still think she does present a concern as many naïve young ppl might see that site and immediately believe it to be true.
Roberto Muehlenkamp posted some evidence of mass graves at Sobibor on his Youtube channel i believe. They always just move the goalposts and say “well yeah those were the people that died to typhus”
DeleteAs for gas chambers i’m pretty sure there’s some inventory report evidence on phdn but i haven’t really tested that against deniers to see what their rebuttal is.
And of course, her rebuttal is just posting it on X and letting her minions do the job. Jake Shields and all those twats always do the same thing. It’s a nuisance to have an actual debate with these people because they’re just rude savages who think you’re a spawn of satan because you don’t deny the Holocaust
Yeah once I saw she published my email on X I asked her the old:
Delete“If you think Treblinka, Sobibor, Majdanek were transit camps where Jews were fed, cleaned and sent east, could you give me the name of any Jewish person who was transited through Treblinka, sent east and returned to their homes after the war”
To my knowledge there’s been no reply thus far
Yeah good luck with that. She’s probably gonna name some random Holocaust survivor who was at Treblinka or any of those other camps
DeleteYeah I know, its annoying. That's why I think this blog needs to address that site and debunk it before it becomes more mainstream on X.
Delete"In 2001 Holocaust Controversies released a book that was meant to debunk Mattogno’s work. In the spirit of Holocaust revisionism Mattogno did not let the challenge go uncontested. His response was over 1000 pages and to my knowledge has not received a counter-response from Holocaust Controversies." - Holocaust.claims
DeleteI swear the blog did an article all about how ridiculous Mattogno's counter book was. What a ludicrous woman
Did they not respond though? I’m pretty sure all Mattogno did was accuse them of plagiarism and dismiss like every other major point made
DeleteYeah the blog responded here https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-steaming-pile-of-mgk-manure-is-here.html
DeleteI sent this her on her website and she said "oh but this was published in 2013 and the latest update of the book was 2015"
On the bright side, I've seen her being corrected by loads of actual history by a couple of good souls on X over the past couple of days
The fact that she's risen to prominence in the Neo-Nazi X sphere is probably cause of this
Deletehttps://accollective.noblogs.org/post/2022/04/22/woke-jamie/
I remember my dispute with her on X. Someone was sending links from that site and I was like she has really 0 credibility because of that shitty mistake about minimum/maximum capacity.
DeleteShe then posts my tweet and is like “lmao holocaust affirmers have NOTHING to say about the ridiculous gassing process”
you absolute dunce, do you know what minimum is?
Also the irony, she attempted to criticize some guy’s refutation of Rudolf by saying “his actual repsonse was 700 words because of fluff”
DeleteMeanwhile she goes off of a guy who is notorious even among other deniers for talking too much and not being concise
Oh yeah the article you sent doesn’t actually refute the book it’s just an update regarding where they’re at in refuting it, it just criticizes the incessant logical fallacies and lack of conciseness
DeleteYeah she's really dumb with her arguments, like even on her site she posts stuff that has been refuted time and time again e.g. Elie Wiesel, Mattogno on Auschwitz etc. But she probably doesn't want to hear it, I mean what do you expect from the wife of an Infamous White Supremacist
Delete>> Oh yeah the article you sent doesn’t actually refute the book it’s just an update regarding where they’re at in refuting it, it just criticizes the incessant logical fallacies and lack of conciseness
Its still a more convincing case for actual historical events than Mattogno's supposed revisionist refutation imo
Some new information related, directly to volume of pyre ashes (including pyre ash) per a person and indirectly to wood requered. Looks like archaeologic investigation of ashes of Polish resistance members killed and burnt on pyre in Chojnice in 1945 confirms Muehlenkamp's calculation.
DeleteIn Chojnice three pits filled by pyre ashes were found - one bigger pit with area 9 m2 and depth 60 cm and two each with area 2 m2 and depth at most 40 cm. So 7 m3 of pyre ashes.
In the pits also one ton of burnt bones was discovered.
https://www.science.org/content/article/archaeologists-unearth-nazi-era-massacre-poland-s-death-valley
https://ipn.gov.pl/pl/dla-mediow/komunikaty/147196,Zakonczono-prace-ekshumacyjne-gdanskiego-pionu-sledczego-IPN-i-bieglych-z-Fundac.html
Average weight of skeleton of adult human after complete cremation is roughly 2.5 kg. Average weight of non-burnt skeleton of an adult human delivered from cemetery after decomposition is 3.32 kg.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/oa.998
This mean that the 7 m3 of pyre ashes (including fuel ash) are result of incinerarion of 300-400 adult people, so 0.0175-0.0234 m3 per an adult person.
Volume of pyre ashes (again including fuel ashes), but now taking into account that large part of victims were children, suggested by:
Mattogno - 0.042 m3 per a person (25,300 m3 from 600,000 people);
Muehlenkamp - 0.01173 to 0.02 m3 per a person (5,093 to 8,667 m3 from 434,000 people).
https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/05/carlo-mattogno-on-belzec_30.html?m=1
Mattogno assumed average weight of bodies 45 kg and of wood per a body 160 kg, Muehlenkamp 35 kg and 35-70 kg.
Interesting, another W for anti revisionism
DeleteAlso i just remembered on X when I was having this debate with some other guy citing .claims as his source, I disproved them with some links from HC
DeleteHe deletes his tweets and this is when that witch from holocaust.claims (don’t mean for the irrelevant insults but seriously look at her profile picture jesus christ) comes into the argument. She proceeds to say “the guy deletes his tweets, that’s a win for revisionism” even though it was the denier himself that deletes it
1st comment - Another L for the deniers as per freaking usual
Delete2nd comment - I think witch is the right term for who she is. Once I discovered who she was and investigated her a little further she seems like the most hateful bigoted person you could ever hope to meet. As of a few hours ago there were a couple of based X people fighting back against her which you love to see.
Side Point - Also has anyone here heard of a youtube channel called Zoomer Historian? He's one of those who believes Churchill was responsible for WW2, that 250,000 were killed during the Dresden bombings and he made a vid on the SS without talking about, y'know, the many war crimes they perpetrated. His main sources come from Irving unsurprisingly
Zoomer Historian got destroyed past the point of return by this guy
Deletehttps://youtu.be/0ucrF2PHBOc?si=3NzBghzReSvq_PO4
To my knowledge he hasn’t even responded. I will give it to him that the war wasn’t solely Germany’s fault, that is a common misconception unfortunately, but of course it was majority their fault. But the narrative that the Germans were fully power hungry evil disgusting animals who wanted to conquer the world and murder all non-aryans is a little blown out of proportion. They were evil though.
Irving is deemed pretty much useless and outdated now. I’m pretty sure he even quit revisionism and said he admits gas chambers existed but i don’t know how true that is. He’s old and sick now and to my knowledge he just moved on to the whole “germans weren’t as evil as DA JOOZ say they were innit”
Any woman that denies the Holocaust is a literal witch. The Nazis are notorious among feminist crowds not for the obvious mass murder but for pushing incessant traditional family values and promoting women working in the kitchen. If she supports that I suggest she gets off the computer and Mattagno books and goes to cook her husband some food.
BTW, can you send me the link to the X thread of people refuting her? Much appreciated
Yeah I've seen the destroying vid. Its a masterpiece. And he didn't respond but people on Telegram now hate the debunkers guts. But hey, that's telegram for you.
DeleteAs far as Irving is concerned apparently he's now hooked up to a computer and hasn't got that long to live probably, no severe loss there.
The two X accounts refuting her are - Word Salad Ratings
(@WordSaladII)
And - Thames Darwin
(NumarPatru)
I believe its still ongoing but I might be wrong
Its under her (The witch's) post about the Kremer diaries
DeleteAlso according to that article I saw about her she likes the fact she's a housewife and I think she's been fully indoctrinated to the point that that's the only thing she believes matters in being a 'Good wife'
DeleteProbably being a housewife means she has nothing to do rather than help her fascist husband with his radio and go on the internet reading Mattogno. Its a shame she remains in her echo chamber and get her husbands neo-nazi goons to go after people who, y'know, actually believe History
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DeleteNice I'll check it out. And yeah they really are.
DeleteJust saw your response. Pretty based my dude. Also I didn't know Roberto Muehlenkamp had a yt channel. I really like his work on the blog. Lmk if the deniers got back to you
DeleteDefinitely got back to me. Pretty obnoxious so far, the witch responded to me attempting to disprove the pyre photographs with some Mattogno assumptions based on what is obviously a limited view.
DeleteAnother guy claimed to have visited Auschwitz and didn’t know it was split into 3 camps each for different purposes.
LOL. She blocked me. How precious.
DeleteI was talking to another guy about why there’s such specific documentation of the camps and i said i “pray to g-d” (because im jewish i don’t write his full name)
She replies with the most atrocious ad hom i’ve seen in my entire life “can’t even spell god can’t have an honest discussion with holocaust affirmers” and I try to respond, check her profile and i’m blocked.
There’s a few others guys beefing but they’re not really worth my time. Might respond but I don’t really feel like it.
Damn. What a snowflake. Just shows how these people are when you show them their arguments can’t stand up to the real truth. Well good job just for trying. Maybe the witch and her Neo Nazi husband will realise the truth one day, but I doubt it. It’s a shame they have kids they’re gonna indoctrinate with so much of this virulent hatred.
DeleteDamn. What a snowflake. Just shows how these people are when you show them their arguments can’t stand up to the real truth. Well good job just for trying. Maybe the witch and her Neo Nazi husband will realise the truth one day, but I doubt it. It’s a shame they have kids they’re gonna indoctrinate with so much of this virulent hatred.
DeleteShe has a husband? Someone married her?
DeleteI think it might be that Mike Peinovich, a cowriter on the blog. But she refers to him mostly as a friend so i don’t know
Holy fuck, if it is Mike Enoch, she’s a Jew. Please G-d, let it be true that she’s Mike Enoch’s wife it would be the funniest shit ever
Deletehttps://www.salon.com/2017/01/16/cat-fight-on-the-alt-right-neo-nazi-podcaster-mike-enoch-quits-after-doxxers-reveal-his-wife-is-jewish/
Yeah she is currently married to Enoch, but I think he divorced his Jewish wife and married her recently.
Deletehttps://accollective.noblogs.org/post/2022/04/22/woke-jamie/
I found the above article when I was trying to find out who she was. It basically tells you all you need to know about her. The site also has a bit on Penovitch’s ‘National Justice Party’ which has a tiny section on his wife’s ‘Holocaust revisionist site’
Also ‘Enoch’ aka Penovitch is half Serbian so by Nazi race laws wouldn't that mean he’s genetically inferior? Didn’t the Nazi allied Croatians try to kill a lot of Serbs?
Nazi apologists are usually under the impression that they weren’t racist and actually just loved everyone, so he probably doesn’t care
DeleteI mean Nazi apologists truly are the dumbest people. Like you see some on the comments of YouTube or Instagram saying "He tried to warn us" or the Voltaire quote about criticism to basically say Jews run the world. Like that is some of the dumbest shit. And then you have people who don't deny the Holocaust, but instead DEFEND it. Like how mentally ill do you have to be to think that.
DeleteI'm glad that people were actively debunking the claims of the Witch and others on X. Idk if it's still ongoing but like I say, Neo-Nazis will never miss an opportunity to show you how dumb and misinformed they are.
I wish Penovitch and his Mattogno-fangirl wife nothing but the worst.
Also (last comment i swear) Have you seen this hilarious vid
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30q-Y4dbuf4
Finn M brought this up in another comment but you guys should definitely address that holocaust.claims site, particularly the Alleged Gas Chambers at Treblinka and Majdanek articles. I see it being brought up on X a lot now as it’s becoming more mainstream.
ReplyDeleteAll i know is that a good chunk of her articles are ripped from others like Denierbud and Mattogno so it shouldn’t be too hard to address
Well, seeing as she blocked me on X i don’t see necessary anymore
DeleteJust checked the X tweets, you did a great job and those followers of her showed how dumb they are. Even a 10 year old knows there were three camps at Auschwitz. Also there was that other “Melissa” acc that stepped in every so often which I’m pretty sure is the witch considering her real name is Melissa but I could be wrong. Also I still think this blog needs to do a debunking of the witch but maybe as part of larger refuting contemporary twitter and instagram denialism cause it’s quite rampant
DeleteI'm curious to know if she genuinely believes Mattogno, Graf, Rudolf etc or if she's just lying about the Holocaust to be hateful
DeleteMelissa blocked me too.
DeleteWhat’s funny about these deniers is that even if you prove them wrong, give them the hardest coldest evidence that it happened, they’ll block you and continue spreading their nonsense to people who can’t think rationally.
They rely on people to be dumb for their bullshit to work. Not a single *credible* scientist, engineer, historian has ever denied the Holocaust. Rudolf’s credentials are debated, and Leuchter was a fraud. Who do they have?
The biggest proof of the Holocaust is the amount of witnesses. It’s easy to say they lied and got paid to make up some shit story, but they have no proof that happened. And even if it did, at least one person would’ve broken the chain and come forward about what actually happened. It’s human nature. Why hasn’t that happened yet? It doesn’t occur to a survivor on their deathbed to tell the “truth?” since he’s gonna die anyway? That is not hard evidence, it’s inferrable. Debated historical events like Deir Yassin have legitimate survivors coming forward about their experiences. It’s insane how that has never happened with the Holocaust.
More proof is that not a single Nazi ever denied what happened. Not at Nuremberg, not in prison, nowhere. They all said the same thing; I took orders, I enjoyed it. Maybe they were tortured but where’s the proof of that? Even Hoss’s torture, there’s no evidence he was ever tortured for the purpose of lying.
We also have decent documentation, the Sonnerkommando photographs and German documents on phdn. Like come on now, you want to tell me that’s all fake too?
Holocaust denial is a bullshit attempt at justifying their shitty ideology. And to any deniers reading this, really think about what I said. Like there’s just no fucking way you can see the amount of testimonies and survivors and say “yes, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is in on the lie.” It’s fucking illogical. Teachers can’t even get their classrooms to not cheat and spread answers around in schools, and you want to tell me they can get hundreds of thousands of people to agree to that?
Obviously my rant doesn’t mean much to anyone but holy fuck, denying the Holocaust just makes my head spin. How?
Melissa is a different person. Significantly dumber than the witch so I doubt it’s her.
DeleteAlso most twitter denialism is just shitty entry level “wooden doors” “red cross” nonsense that was debunked by Sergey in the twitter denial thing.
Tbh, I can see why people would believe Mattogno Graf or Rudolf if they don’t do any extra research on the rebuttals
I tried to counter a Instagram Holocaust Denier by telling them to go to this blog site and he said "I'm not going on a site run by the ADL and the Jews" like these people are seriously bad at listening. They just want to fuel their neo-Nazi theories rather that seeing the actual truth e.g. this site.
DeleteGod, sometimes I worry for this generation
And now the witch is blocking a bunch of people because she's tired of having "Honest conversations with dishonest Jews"
DeleteI was being honest and peaceful AF in that conversation. I was correcting myself, apologizing for fallacies and was just debating peacefully.
DeleteShe on the other hand… blocks me and accuses me of being dishonest because I didn’t type out the word God
Honestly I just stopped citing this site. Too many dumb shits like that who refuse to open the link because they know their shitty lies are about to be refuted. I’ll just sum up the response and give them the source that the blog gives? Plagiarism? Maybe, but in my defense it’s for the greater good
DeleteHonestly this blog is such a good educational resource, more people should know about it. Its good for debunking just about every single denial claim that these deniers put forth nowadays.
DeleteAnd you and the non-revisionists were being good and fair in that debate. The trouble is, these Nazis keep pushing this self delusion because they fear what will happen when they find out they're wrong.
Honestly the fact that the witch published my email on x for everyone to see, and sent a bunch of deniers after me by email just makes me want to debunk these morons so bad, but the trouble is every time you site a credible source or website, they just go "No its a Jewish fabrication"
These people are so steeped in their ideology of hate that to try and pull them back up to reality is a task easier said than done
Also looking back through this blog there were a couple of deniers usually commenting quite a lot, a guy called Franz and another guy called the Rabbit of Inle. What happened to them? Did they finally get a life?
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Deletedon’t know much about franz but black rabbit quit denial
DeleteFranz Holtzhaeuser = k0nsl, a Swedish denier who is currently in jail for something else. His absence caused the previous incarnation of the RODOH forum to crash.
DeleteAh I see, thanks for telling me guys. Good that Black Rabbit quit denial. He seemed very active on this blog back in the day from what I saw
DeleteI was watching a bit of the History Speaks vs Penovitch debate the other day. Just goes to show how utterly childish and uninformed the deniers actually are. I'm beginning to think that Penovitch's wife founded her website in the first place just to try to prove her husband was right lol. Not that she's doing a very good job of it.
DeleteAlex, can you give me your Twitter handle? I'm interested in seeing your posts.
DeleteTheSpaceLaser67 i think. lmk if its wrong
Delete"Honestly I just stopped citing this site. Too many dumb shits like that who refuse to open the link because they know their shitty lies are about to be refuted. I’ll just sum up the response and give them the source that the blog gives? Plagiarism? Maybe, but in my defense it’s for the greater good" - it's fine, citing anything as an authority triggers reality deniers of all kinds, the same would have been true in the creationism wars of the early to mid 2000s. Any reference to a collective or debunkers or whatever allows them to personalise the discussion. I think if one is going to argue with people who claim to "do their own research" as the conspiracy theorist etc mantra goes, then one needs to demonstrate one can do better research, which means going to the sources or citing them as directly as possible. Fortunately the actual sources are much more readily available due to digitisation, and I think we've built up a decent resource here to point to them.
ReplyDeleteI can't lie, I haven't known about this blog for long, but I think it might be one of the most important websites of the Holocaust that I've seen on the Internet. Almost every denier claim is refuted here, which makes it probably the most valuable resource against the revisionists. Bring it on Holocaust.claims. You can't deny the truth, no matter how hard you and your husbands cronies try
DeleteOld news but still hilarious
Deletehttps://www.ydr.com/story/news/2019/07/09/germar-rudolf-holocaust-denier-charged-open-lewdness-red-lion-pa/1685114001/
Lmao. How long before Germar begins to insist that this was a Jewish conspiracy and that he was never arrested by the police and that he wasn't doing anything wrong. Classic Germar
DeleteAlso, I've been doing more research into white nationalism and holocaust denial, and the main guys advocating for "white purity" and arguing that (((they))) are behind everything and so on and so forth, are these weird looking 45 year old's from Colorado or SC or wherever, who look like they haven't left their basement in weeks. Master race my ass. White nationalism is really dumb. Holocaust denial is dumber still.
DeleteAlso I've been going through the older debates on the skeptics society forum. Watching the deniers get pummeled again and again is quite hilarious if I do say so myself
Checked holocaust.claims, and how the hell is she still posting?
DeleteIt's kind of funny because if I got beaten on X so bad to the point I had to block my opponent with one last ad hominem, I wouldn't be able to live with myself. I would be pissed off and looking for answers and if I couldn't, I would quit denial.
But no, apparently she just blocks anyone with enough braincells to realize her "rebuttals" are hot steaming piles of trash and moves on with her day, convincing herself she's right. Lol
Isaac she just tweeted that:
Delete"Over the weekend I got 7 comments trying to refute me, which is way more than normal. I will be addressing them at my leisure. As my reply is probably too spicy for twitter you'll have to click on the link below to see it."
She then posts a comment which I think might be you (correct me if i'm wrong) Did you comment on any other of her posts?
Yes it is. I commented a bunch pointing out her bullshit.
DeleteA little help would be appreciated since she gets super tense when there’s multiple people - and resorts to blocking
Send the links to the comments you posted and I’ll try see if I can respond with anything good. If I do I’ll tell you.
DeleteShe thinks a great deal of her responses to link them on Twitter so when she responds she might post them there.
DeleteAlso, interesting that she needs to review comments before having them published on the replies section. Wonder why that is?
When I began my splurge of comments on her site, (On this post https://www.holocaust.claims/uncategorized/miklos-nyiszli-unreliable-witness-part-two/) I thought she was just taking the comments down so that's why I emailed her. Soon realized it was comment monitoring.
DeleteA bit weird I must say
We talk about her a bit over on the SSF forum. Her most recent blog post was meant as a "Rebuttal" to a member over there. Not that it proved anything, its the same old nonsense. But yeah, she looks at the arguments that SHE wants to look at, not at the ones that oppose her view. . .
ReplyDeleteSend me the link to the conversation please
Deletehttps://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26565&start=6160
DeleteWe talk a bit about her on this thread. Feel free to join. There are loads of discussion topics and there aren’t many deniers on there anyone so that’s a plus.
I made an account but apparently mods need to activate it. Hope it doesn’t take long since the gossip on there is quite juicy i must say
DeleteI have a question, how would you guys address the following article?
ReplyDeletehttps://thejewishvoiceandopinion.com/holocaust-survivor-sol-lurie-says-his-destiny-was-to-outlive-hitler-and-educate-a-new-generation-to-love-rather-than-hate/
“It was a miracle water was released and not gas”
Lurie makes it clear it was the gas chambers, but weren’t these showerheads supposed to be dysfunctional and fake?
Also, is it true gas chambers were already a rumor during camp operation? And is it true that all the people being gassed only just got off of the train?
Looks like the survivor just misinterpreted his experiences. He was in regular showers, where prisoners selected for work showered during registration procedure and later heard about gas chambers and that it had showerheads leading him to believe he was showered inside gas chamber. Even in the article he told: "That was a miracle, but I didn’t even know it at the time."
DeleteYes, showerheads in actual gas chambers were dysfunctional and fake.