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Virginia Tech holocaust survivor
by vincentferrer » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:04 pm
One of the victims of the Virginia tech tragedy has been identified as a Holocaust survivor. Listed as 76 years old, this makes the person 8 years old when the war began, and 14 when it ended.
Professor Liviu Librescu an Israeli/Romanian of international stature was among the murdered. It has been reported that Prof. Librescu died while barricading the door of his classroom while his students hid and escaped out of the windows. Prof Librescu, a Holocaust survivor, was murdered on Holocaust Remembrance Day.
The very word holocaust is a pejorative to every German citizen. There was no holocaust, just lies from the abandoned race.
by vincentferrer » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:04 pm
One of the victims of the Virginia tech tragedy has been identified as a Holocaust survivor. Listed as 76 years old, this makes the person 8 years old when the war began, and 14 when it ended.
Professor Liviu Librescu an Israeli/Romanian of international stature was among the murdered. It has been reported that Prof. Librescu died while barricading the door of his classroom while his students hid and escaped out of the windows. Prof Librescu, a Holocaust survivor, was murdered on Holocaust Remembrance Day.
by Ajax » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:06 pm
You couldn't make it up, could you? Even against the backdrop of this tragedy, they have to get their little word in.
by nashchad » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:40 pm
http://www.wiesenthal.com/atf/cf/%7BDFD ... ntentSet=0
"My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Librescu's son, Joe Librescu, said Tuesday in a telephone interview from his home outside Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."
Huh? I'm not trying to be a hard ass but wouldn't it be more reliable to get an actual eye-witness to this story instead of the deceased man's son who lives in Israel? How could he possibly know anything?
by vincentferrer » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:44 pm
Who knows if it is made up or not. There are no articles on the net that I found which talk about this person as a holocaust survivor.
Go figure.
The very word holocaust is a pejorative to every German citizen. There was no holocaust, just lies from the abandoned race.Go figure.
by Goethe » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:44 pm
Leave to the arrogantly self proclaimed Chosen Ones to fabricate a hero story in an attempt to get the spotlight. Everything must be about them. What we have is a cult of self worship posing as a religion.
by friedrich braun » Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:06 pm
Wow...a Christ-like sacrifice for the greater good. These people never stop impressing."My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee,"
by Hannover » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:32 pm
BS. Why wouldn't he just close the door. And the son knows this from 'Israel', right. No doubt the father sent this info. to his son from the great beyond. Pathetic."My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Librescu's son, Joe Librescu, said Tuesday in a telephone interview from his home outside Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."
'holocaust survivor' not:
But according to the standard storyline, all those unable to work, children, elderly, and sick, were supposedly murdered.Listed as 76 years old, this makes the person 8 years old when the war began, and 14 when it ended.
My my, how the lies pile up.
- Hannover
by Ajax » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:46 am
Oh, but they were needed to clean the insides of small metal shell casings...(!)Hannover wrote:But according to the standard storyline, all those unable to work, children, elderly, and sick, were supposedly murdered.
by stuker » Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:04 pm
Why would there be?There are no articles on the net that I found which talk about this person as a holocaust survivor.
by Hannover » Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:21 am
Because so called 'holocaust' survivors crave the limelight and cash they gain from what is truly a scam, and they have a judeo-supremacist media and organizations (like the ADL) to trumpet their unsupportable assertions, that's why.stuker wrote:
Why would there be?There are no articles on the net that I found which talk about this person as a holocaust survivor.
- Hannover
by Real » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:03 am
"Theresa Walsh was one of the last people to see Liviu Librescu alive.nashchad wrote:Huh? I'm not trying to be a hard ass but wouldn't it be more reliable to get an actual eye-witness to this story instead of the deceased man's son who lives in Israel? How could he possibly know anything?
"He looked horrified, almost as if he knew what was going to happen. But he kept all the students behind him so they could get out. "
Walsh said she saw that a lone gunman, ......She said Librescu was peering into the hallway at that moment, keeping his body between the gunman and his students.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld ... news-print
by Hannover » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:59 am
Walsh does not say that Librescu saved them, the author of the story and this 'Puri' man does.Real wrote:
"Theresa Walsh was one of the last people to see Liviu Librescu alive.nashchad wrote:Huh? I'm not trying to be a hard ass but wouldn't it be more reliable to get an actual eye-witness to this story instead of the deceased man's son who lives in Israel? How could he possibly know anything?
"He looked horrified, almost as if he knew what was going to happen. But he kept all the students behind him so they could get out. "
Walsh said she saw that a lone gunman, ......She said Librescu was peering into the hallway at that moment, keeping his body between the gunman and his students.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld ... news-print
In fact, Walsh was actually outside the class, which contradicts the story that Librescu kept students away from the gunman.
Walsh says the door was barricaded by students, not by Librescu.
And Librescu was lying on the floor, so how was he protecting anyone? The promoted story doesn't hold
I see this a more judeo-supremacist self worship, where anything is deemed special when it comes to judeo-supremacists. The 'holocaust' mythology is the ultimate extension of that mindset.
- Hannover
Witness tells a hero’s story
BY MARTIN C. EVANS
martin.evans@newsday.com
; Staff writer Luis Perez contributed to this
April 19, 2007
Theresa Walsh was one of the last people to see Liviu Librescu alive.
"He looked horrified, almost as if he knew what was going to happen," said the Virginia Tech senior math major, who had stepped into the hallway from a second-floor classroom across from his at Virginia Tech's Norris Hall when she heard what turned out to be gunshots. "But he kept all the students behind him so they could get out. "
Librescu, a slightly built Israeli immigrant who survived the Nazi occupation of Romania and perished barring a classroom doorway so that his students could flee to safety out windows, was at the epicenter of the shooting rampage that claimed the lives of 33 students and faculty at the university, Virginia Tech officials confirmed yesterday.
"He's a frail man, 75 or 76 years old, who barricaded the door so his students could escape," said Ishwar Puri, chairman of the Engineering Science and Mechanics department, where Librescu was a professor.
Walsh said she saw that a lone gunman, later identified as Seung-Hui Cho, had emerged from a classroom next to the one in which Librescu taught and was moving toward him. She said Librescu was peering into the hallway at that moment, keeping his body between the gunman and his students.
Walsh said her sudden appearance in the hallway seemed to distract the gunman, who turned toward her, raised a handgun and began firing.
She said she dove back into her classroom, just as a bullet slammed into the wall next to the door. She was uninjured.
She and her classmates then barricaded themselves in, pinning a table against the door and holding onto its legs while lying on their bellies.
"After he missed, he shot through the door twice, but missed because everyone was on their stomach," said Walsh of Binghamton, N.Y. "Then he went on to the next room. You could hear shot after shot - bang, bang, bang, bang. You could hear people screaming. "
Librescu was hit at least five times and died on the classroom floor, according to Edgar Gluck, a Brooklyn rabbi who flew to Virginia to help with the ritual preparation of Librescu's body for burial.
Puri, who described Librescu as a decorous man who greeted friends with a wave and a "hallo, hallo," said Librescu's bravery helped slow the shooter, allowing other people in the department to realize that a killer was in the building, and to make their way to safety.
Puri said one other professor in the department, Kevin P. Granata, was shot dead when he came down from an office on the third floor to investigate the source of the noise, and came across the killer.
"A lot of us would not be around today were it not for our colleagues warning us and giving us more time," said Puri, who said students in Librescu's second-floor classroom jumped from windows as Librescu barred the door.
Librescu was born to a Jewish family in August 1930, in Romania. According to a cousin, Emil Simiu, of Maryland, Librescu had been a stocky, vigorous youth who took miles-long swims in the Black Sea.
The family endured Nazi persecution during the early years of World War II. His father, Isidore, a lawyer, was expelled from the bar and in 1941 was sent to a concentration camp, which he survived. Librescu and his mother went to live with his mother's family in Focsani, Simiu said.
But he was able to resume his studies after the war, and by the 1950s was considered a brilliant engineering researcher. He was encouraged when an influential Soviet mathematician wrote him for advice on solving a problem.
In 1976, a smuggled research manuscript that he had published in the Netherlands drew him international attention in the growing field of material dynamics. In the mid-1970s, he immigrated to Israel, where he became a professor at the University of Tel Aviv. He came to Virginia Tech in 1985 and lived in Blacksburg with his wife, Marlena. Puri said they had two grown children.
"He was always helping who he could," Marlena Librescu said from Brooklyn. "But he wasn't able to help himself. "
His research is said to have been critical to advances in the field of composite materials used to make strong lightweight components for modern aircraft.
"He was an absolute giant," Puri said. "I want him to be remembered that way."
Staff writer Luis Perez contributed to this story.
by Real » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:35 am
1. Yes she does. Her description of what she witnessed was this:Hannover wrote:1. Walsh does not say that Librescu saved them, the author of the story does.
2. I see this a more judeo-supremacist self worship, where anything is deemed special when it comes to judeo-supremacists.
"But he kept all the students behind him so they could get out. "
Had she said "and" instead of "so" there might be some doubt about what she meant.
2. Walsh? Judeo self-worship?
by Hannover » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:55 am
How does that happen since Walsh was outside, in front of him?Real wrote:
1. Yes she does. Her description of what she witnessed was this:Hannover wrote:1. Walsh does not say that Librescu saved them, the author of the story does.
2. I see this a more judeo-supremacist self worship, where anything is deemed special when it comes to judeo-supremacists.
"But he kept all the students behind him so they could get out. "
Had she said "and" instead of "so" there might be some doubt about what she meant.
2. Walsh? Judeo self-worship?
How does the fact that the students barricated the door, not Librescu, show that he 'saved students'? In fact, he would have been behind them.
How does his lying on the floor 'save students'?
Yes, judeo-supremacism. Read the false glorification, by 'Walsh, Puri, Perez. There were many victims at Va. Tech, and who is it that gets singled out for praise?
- Hannover
by Real » Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:26 pm
1. Where does it say he was lying on the floor?Hannover wrote:1. How does his lying on the floor 'save students'?
2. Yes, judeo-supremacism. Read the false glorification, by 'Walsh, Puri, Perez. - Hannover
He died on the floor.
If he was hit five times and students lying on the floor weren't hit, and the witness across the hall saw the look on his face, it pretty clear he was standing.
2. Why do you assume it's false glorification?
by Hannover » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:38 pm
on the floor:Real wrote:
1. Where does it say he was lying on the floor?Hannover wrote:1. How does his lying on the floor 'save students'?
2. Yes, judeo-supremacism. Read the false glorification, by 'Walsh, Puri, Perez. - Hannover
He died on the floor.
If he was hit five times and students lying on the floor weren't hit, and the witness across the hall saw the look on his face, it pretty clear he was standing.
2. Why do you assume it's false glorification?
Ms. Walsh (not capable of "judeo-supremacist self worship") was across the hall (close enough to see his face). Her conclusions are probably more valid than yours or mine.
So, the door was barricaded by the students, and everyone got on the floor, Walsh got up and was shot. There is nothing to indicate he saved anyone."After he missed, he shot through the door twice, but missed because everyone was on their stomach," said Walsh of Binghamton, N.Y. "Then he went on to the next room. You could hear shot after shot - bang, bang, bang, bang. You could hear people screaming. "
It's false glorification because his 'Jewishness' is emphasized rather just being a person, along with the false claims of the 'holocaust', and the false claim that he 'saved' students. Wanna debate the 'holocaust'?
- Hannover
by Real » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:39 pm
1. You're a tad off on your comprehension of the articleHannover wrote:1. So, the door was barricaded by the students, and everyone got on the floor, Walsh got up and was shot. There is nothing to indicate he saved anyone.
2. It's false glorification because his 'Jewishness' is emphasized rather just being a person, along with the false claims of the 'holocaust', and the false claim that he 'saved' students. Wanna debate the 'holocaust'?
- The gunman came out of a classroom next to Librescu's.
- He stood in the doorway between the gunman and the students.
- The gunman turned to Walsh's classroom and fired.
- He then turned toward Librescu's classroom and shot him five times.
There were actually two different classrooms and Walsh was not shot. The "everyone" on the floor refers to the classroom Walsh was in, not Librescu's.
2. The story is given a sad irony by this human interest detail.
An old man, who survived another horror is slain so senselessly on a day commemorating that other tragedy.
I remember a couple years ago a Gulf War veteran came home to Detroit and was killed on the street. The fact that he was a Gulf War veteran gave the story a certain poignancy.
And I don't think anyone who read it ever thought that fact was included in order to glorify soldiers.
It's also an odd criticism that his "jewishness" is emphasized by the reporter because I don't think the skepticism about this story would also be happening if not for his "jewishness".
by Henry » Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:17 pm
I think 'Real' was indicating there was no false glorification of Ms. Walsh, not the Jewish professor.
by Real » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:17 pm
1. I think you're off just a tad on your comprehension of the article:Hannover wrote:1. So, the door was barricaded by the students, and everyone got on the floor, Walsh got up and was shot. There is nothing to indicate he saved anyone.
2. It's false glorification because his 'Jewishness' is emphasized rather just being a person, along with the false claims of the 'holocaust', and the false claim that he 'saved' students.
- The gunman came from one classroom and headed toward the adjacent one (Livescu's)
- Walsh was in a classroom across from the professor's.
- He took a shot at her, missed, she closed the door and the students in that classroom lay down on the floor
- Cho then turns toward Livescu who has "all the students behind him so they could escape" (Walsh's words).
Walsh and Livescu were in two different classrooms.
Walsh was not shot.
The "everyone...on the floor" refers to the other classroom.
2. Bringing up his past tragedies gives the story an ironic sadness in that he survived one horror only to die in another horror on a day memorializing the first.
I remember reading a couple of years ago about a Gulf War veteran who came home to Detroit and was killed on the street. Including his status as a veteran gave that story a similar poignancy.
But no one accused the reporter of glorifying his "soldierness", "rather than just being a person".
by Hannover » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:29 pm
Real,
I do see that I missed some things in the story, my apologies for that.
My position has not changed however, there is no proof Librescu 'saved students'. He merely looked out of his door and is said to be a hero, when in fact (according to this article), the students couldn't have left anyway because of the gunmen. Librescu curiously gets credit for being a hero, while he really behaved rather stupidly in not just closing and barricading the door a la Walsh's class.
You have no evidence this man 'survived a horror' and have apparently chosen not to debate regarding it.
points from the article which promote the guy's 'jewishness':
- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.I do see that I missed some things in the story, my apologies for that.
My position has not changed however, there is no proof Librescu 'saved students'. He merely looked out of his door and is said to be a hero, when in fact (according to this article), the students couldn't have left anyway because of the gunmen. Librescu curiously gets credit for being a hero, while he really behaved rather stupidly in not just closing and barricading the door a la Walsh's class.
You have no evidence this man 'survived a horror' and have apparently chosen not to debate regarding it.
points from the article which promote the guy's 'jewishness':
Combine those with over-the-top superlatives and we have judeo-supremacism sticking out like a sore tumb.- Librescu, a slightly built Israeli immigrant who survived the Nazi occupation of Romania .....
- Librescu was born to a Jewish family in August 1930, in Romania ...
- The family endured Nazi persecution during the early years of World War II. His father, Isidore, a lawyer, was expelled from the bar and in 1941 was sent to a concentration camp, which he survived. [yet another survivor in spite of claims of planned 'extermination']
- In the mid-1970s, he immigrated to Israel, where he became a professor at the University of Tel Aviv.
- Hannover
by Real » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:18 pm
1. This reminds me of the ACLU second guessing a cop after a shooting.Hannover wrote:1. Librescu curiously gets credit for being a hero, while he really behaved rather stupidly in not just closing and barricading the door a la Walsh's class.
2. You have no evidence this man 'survived a horror' and have apparently chosen not to debate regarding it.
3. points from the article which promote the guy's 'jewishness':
4. Combine those with over-the-top superlatives and we have judeo-supremacism sticking out like a sore tumb.
Everyone acts differently in these situations so I wouldn't call anyone "stupid" for not closing a door. All I know is that he stood and took five shots and if anyone else was in that class they survived, so he must have done something right.
2. I don't exactly know what you mean by evidence. I wasn't there and I have no pictures.
But I'm just following a thread topic begun by someone else. I'm sure there are myriad other threads relating to the veracity of the holocaust. That's not what anyone else on this thread was discussing.
Why de-rail it?
3. I agree that his background was emphasized in the article just as that Gulf War veteran's background was emphasized in the one to which I referred. Neither had relevance to the actual story beyond human interest (do you also think there was an agenda in mentioning the soldier's status as a veteran?).
4. I still don't get this Judeo-Supremacism thing as it relates to this story and Ms. Walsh. Do you feel that Ms. Walsh would have told her story differently if the professor were Mexican?
by Hannover » Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:38 pm
Real:
If this man was Mexican or anything else, I doubt if we'd get all the laughable personal information and absurd praise. Self promotion is part & parcel to the 'holocaust' Industry.I still don't get this Judeo-Supremacism thing as it relates to this story and Ms. Walsh. Do you feel that Ms. Walsh would have told her story differently if the professor were Mexican?
- Hannover
by Henry » Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:45 am
I have to agree with Hannover on this one, Real.
by _Mads_ » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:09 pm
True. The problem with this story is that it probably isn´t possible to save anybody in this way. Maybe you can win a couple of seconds for those you want to save (which is the time it takes to be shot and fall to the ground), but then that doesn´t matter anyway. There are better ways of barricading a door.Hannover wrote:. Librescu curiously gets credit for being a hero, while he really behaved rather stupidly in not just closing and barricading the door a la Walsh's class.
- Hannover
I think this is serious dangerous propaganda. It reinforces the picture of "holocaust survivors" as "very very good" (in this case heroic) people, and when you made that connection once, what are you going to say when you hear that these "holocaust survivors" are actually liars?
What the propagandists behind this want is to strengthen the tendency of most people to simply dismiss without thinking revisionist arguments, and unfortunately I think they succeeded in doing that here.
It should be noted that such a thing does not happen very often (that a person gives his life for others). When it happens, it normally involves close relatives, intimate friends etc. Why should we believe that a Jewish teacher would die for (non-Jewish?) students?
Professor Liviu Librescu was an excellent scientist whose self sacrifice to save students during the last moments of his life is by now well documented. During the last moments of his life, Dr. Librescu's efforts were focused on saving the lives of his students. At that time, he did not discriminate on the basis of religion, race, ethnicity, gender or indeed any other criterion. There is much that we can learn from this.
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