tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post7056592522918698852..comments2024-03-20T07:25:58.202+00:00Comments on Holocaust Controversies: Kollerstrom's Deception on the Visit of the International Committee of the Red Cross to AuschwitzNicholas Terryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-53251131300163477922015-10-05T06:10:44.478+01:002015-10-05T06:10:44.478+01:00I read your White Paper, I found it quite interest...I read your White Paper, I found it quite interesting. I found the chapter on the gas chambers at the Reinhard Camps very informative. It helped clear up the issue of diesel exhaust (though I think that diesel exhaust in an air tight room would still be fatal). <br />I tried to read MGK's article rebutting you but I found it incomprehensible. I had a hard enough time reading some of the shorter "Holocaust Handbooks" enough of a chore, I couldn't read 1500 pages of ranting.<br />Keep up the good work.J Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04893548775462142380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-43901534061846300072015-10-04T01:05:23.577+01:002015-10-04T01:05:23.577+01:00Like I said, our mutual associate's opus touch...Like I said, our mutual associate's opus touches upon the "transit" nonsense: it is clearly a fact that the trains returned to Warsaw empty. If they were to return to pick up the Jews after an overnight stay and take them to Siam or wherever then it would make sense, but there are two issues<br />1. TII had no facilities for overnight accommodation<br />2. the trains returned with more Jews to drop off, and returned empty to Warsaw again. <br /><br />As I pointed out in an SSF post, the only alternative is if the Nazis installed an inter-dimensional portal in Treblinka II. <br /><br />That and the fact that the Minsk transport did not stop in TII (or any other transport directly from Germany to the RK's) basically kills the denier bitching on this issue. <br /><br />Good luck on the response. Do not feel harried, we are all patient and understand that you are extremely busy.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-72942211503976160262015-09-29T10:57:56.248+01:002015-09-29T10:57:56.248+01:00Re Jeff: "That would mean that your response ...Re Jeff: "That would mean that your response to chapters 11 and 12 will be the definitive final authority on this matter methinks."<br /><br />Maybe so, but it wouldn’t matter much. The fact alone that Revs are unable to respond to <a href="http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.de/2011/07/challenge-to-supporters-of-revisionist.html" rel="nofollow">this challenge</a> means they are screwed, in my opinion. Their inability to produce a single name of a "transited" Jew when there should be names all over the place, and that more than seventy years after the events in question, renders Mattogno's lengthy hysterics about mass graves and cremation rather irrelevant.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-45855194674836340682015-09-29T10:42:06.657+01:002015-09-29T10:42:06.657+01:00Re Arthur "And even if they don't, I'...Re Arthur "And even if they don't, I'm sure your new pal Friedrich Jansson will oblige ! Even more reason for you and the HC team to regroup and hurl some more misery their way."<br /><br />I'm working on my part, and I'm not exactly in a hurry. <br /><br />The discussions with Jansson earlier this year were quite useful in that they gave me some ideas. As I told him <a href="http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.de/2015/06/on-revisionist-error-nitpicking-7.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, his input will be duly acknowledged in footnotes.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-58180148572677932092015-09-29T00:37:23.969+01:002015-09-29T00:37:23.969+01:00That would mean that your response to chapters 11 ...That would mean that your response to chapters 11 and 12 will be the definitive final authority on this matter methinks. <br /><br />One of your colleagues is planning a massive refutation of Jansson, judging by the drafts it is quite excellent.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-73885441844451652692015-09-28T16:02:51.822+01:002015-09-28T16:02:51.822+01:00Re Roberto "Besides, they have already announ...Re Roberto "Besides, they have already announced that they won't respond, IIRC."<br /><br />Roberto, what's the betting that they WILL respond to your planned debunking of chapters 11 and 12 ? It would be rude not too !<br /><br />And even if they don't, I'm sure your new pal Friedrich Jansson will oblige ! Even more reason for you and the HC team to regroup and hurl some more misery their way.Arthur Crumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02528152257644027463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-78134082827528720422015-09-28T10:35:06.862+01:002015-09-28T10:35:06.862+01:00«Respectfully disagree. Mattogno and Graf are both...«Respectfully disagree. Mattogno and Graf are both 64 years old and might not have the jam to crank out another BLOB. A response to them would absolutely be the last word at this stage IMO.»<br /><br />Besides, they have already announced that they won't respond, IIRC.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-76312428293490375792015-09-27T16:05:18.415+01:002015-09-27T16:05:18.415+01:00Re Aruthur: "There is also a character on the...Re Aruthur: "There is also a character on there called 'DasPrussian' - who appears to despise deniers so much, he is in danger of internally combusting, if his disgusting language is anything to go by."<br /><br />Das Prussian is a fine individual who is much better at debating and debunking deniers than Nessie. Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-4411537340731386182015-09-27T16:04:08.741+01:002015-09-27T16:04:08.741+01:00Re Hans: "Holocaust denial is Mattogno's ...Re Hans: "Holocaust denial is Mattogno's work of his lifetime and I don't think he will leave anti-deniers having the last word here until he bites the dust"<br /><br />Respectfully disagree. Mattogno and Graf are both 64 years old and might not have the jam to crank out another BLOB. A response to them would absolutely be the last word at this stage IMO.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-32756613907479624012015-09-26T19:14:51.089+01:002015-09-26T19:14:51.089+01:00No sane person is going to address "point by ...No sane person is going to address "point by point" 1,500 pages of junk. If Mattogno had produced a condensed argument, with no spamming and endless repetition, there might be some ground for discussion, but Mattogno's 1,500 pages was meant to be too long-winded to be able to answer point-by-point without spending ten years doing nothing else.Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-74554689031604285752015-09-26T18:53:48.551+01:002015-09-26T18:53:48.551+01:00Hi Arthur,
I'm entirely with you that it is ...Hi Arthur, <br /><br />I'm entirely with you that it is desirable that there is a full blown response to MGK. But Holocaust denial is Mattogno's work of his lifetime and I don't think he will leave anti-deniers having the last word here until he bites the dust. He will just produce another inadequate response to a full blown rebuttal. Is this worth the effort and freetime of people, who have actually a life next to Holocaust denial? Perhaps or perhaps not, but most of the white papers' authors have already moved on and are bored to death to engage with Holocaust deniers. One cannot really blame them (I will move on too at some point). <br /><br />But don't worry, there will be a new "generation" of anti-Revisionists coming (just as HC filled the place left by the alt.revisionism, nizkor, THHP generation). As long as there are Holocaust deniers there will be anti-deniers giving them a proper asskicking. Hans Metznerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07746792258730274681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-44130579581754941832015-09-25T15:43:20.875+01:002015-09-25T15:43:20.875+01:00"I agree with Hans. You need this forum:
htt..."I agree with Hans. You need this forum:<br /><br />http://www.skepticforum.com/viewforum.php?f=39"<br /><br />Bring it on, I'll be waiting.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-21446779965901409392015-09-25T15:41:52.570+01:002015-09-25T15:41:52.570+01:00Thanks Jonathon and Roberto for informing me of , ...Thanks Jonathon and Roberto for informing me of , in Jonathon's case, last years blogs on Mattognos deceptions, and from Roberto, his plans to publish a response to chapters 11 and 12.<br /><br />Although I welcome both, I find it slightly disappointing you haven't gone for the 'full monty' and basically published a follow up 'white paper' which demolishishes MGK once and for all, as well as addressing any new criticisms and comments that they raised, point by point. I guess you could say the 'demolishing' was already achieved in your original 'white Paper' , and I agree generally, but I believe by the HC team not responding 'thoroughly', then you have given MGK and their supporters an excuse to 'claim victory'.<br /><br />It appears to me, every time MGK produce a 'debunking' of 'mainstream' holocaust historians, be it Zimmerman, Van Pelt and now yourselves, it always ends in a 'withdrawal' from the 'mainstream' side. Now I believe the HC team have more about them than the others, so I would expect you to respond accordingly in your own unique manner, AND GIVE THEIR ASSES THE KICKING THEY DESERVE !<br /><br />I am also surprised by Roberto's admission that he doesn't know what his co-authors plans are regarding a response. I'm not suggesting you all live in the same house or anything, (like the Beatles in their films !), but I would have thought you would have had a get together of some kind to 'plan' your response and then inform your adoring public of such plans( I'm not being sarcastic there ! I adore you all lol ) . <br /><br />I noted that Roberto spent a good while in debate with Friedrich Jansen recently, so surely he isn't that 'bored' of debating deniers, yet.<br /><br />Don't take this as criticism, it's just a shame you haven't combined your collective talents one more time, to finish off the job !<br /><br />Arthur Crumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02528152257644027463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-29804694844670327372015-09-25T14:42:17.233+01:002015-09-25T14:42:17.233+01:00John, you can also post on Rodoh. Here you can cho...John, you can also post on Rodoh. Here you can choose from about 20 deniers to pick a fight with. You may receive assistance from someone called 'Nessie', who I believe has dedicated his entire life to debating with deniers, and informing them when they make unevidenced assertions and strawman arguments.<br />There is also a character on there called 'DasPrussian' - who appears to despise deniers so much, he is in danger of internally combusting, if his disgusting language is anything to go by.<br />Other 'non-revisionists' turn up now and again and on the whole it is monitored fairly, although I believe by those of a denier persuasion.<br />Arthur Crumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02528152257644027463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-91779727342472440592015-09-25T00:35:05.536+01:002015-09-25T00:35:05.536+01:00I agree with Hans. You need this forum:
http://ww...I agree with Hans. You need this forum:<br /><br />http://www.skepticforum.com/viewforum.php?f=39Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-69932702727270273142015-09-24T20:41:46.370+01:002015-09-24T20:41:46.370+01:00Thank you, I'll be on the look out for it.Thank you, I'll be on the look out for it.J Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04893548775462142380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-45453187153700230982015-09-24T19:05:07.141+01:002015-09-24T19:05:07.141+01:00John, one more thing. I've seen you started a ...John, one more thing. I've seen you started a thread at the CODOH forum (https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9802). Note that "anti-Revisionists" (but also Revisionists disagreeing too much with the moderator Hannover) are censored over there, so this is not the best choice for a controversial discussion.Hans Metznerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07746792258730274681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-9743656101901149482015-09-24T17:51:49.233+01:002015-09-24T17:51:49.233+01:00John,
I skimmed over your amazon review of Break...John, <br /><br />I skimmed over your amazon review of Breaking the Spell and I fear to say that Roberto seems right that you not really fitting as a blogger of Holocaust Controversies. However, I'm curious as to what "relevant information which raises doubts about the Holocaust story" you think Kollerstrom provided. Feel free to post them here as a comment. <br /><br />An appropriate discussion forum for you seems to be http://www.skepticforum.com/viewforum.php?f=39Hans Metznerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07746792258730274681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-90956832237892256442015-09-24T17:29:17.264+01:002015-09-24T17:29:17.264+01:00J Kelly said...
"I've found articles tha...J Kelly said...<br /><br /><i>"I've found articles that indicate that Red Cross knew about the Holocaust.<br />http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/19/us/red-cross-admits-knowing-of-the-holocaust-during-the-war.html<br />http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/307051/red-cross-admits-world-war-ii-failings-as-holocaust-spread/<br /> I understand some of the reasoning for not reporting but it does help explain why the RC was silent during the war."</i><br /><br />Then it might interest you that right now I'm preparing a follow up posting on Kollerstrom's other argument that the 1948 report of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) "make[s] no mention of the Holocaust? Because it didn’t happen, of course" (Breaking the Spell, p. 142). This will also address the ICRC's wartime knowledge of the Holocaust.Hans Metznerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07746792258730274681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-19124352684686961842015-09-24T11:47:36.680+01:002015-09-24T11:47:36.680+01:00@John Reid
You can join this blog site only if in...@John Reid<br /><br />You can join this blog site only if invited, and if you wrote favorable reviews of Winter's and Kollerstrom's books you won't be invited already for the reason that this is not a "Revisionist" blog site but an anti-"Revisionist" blog site. <br /><br />Try joining a "Revisionist" blog site, or open a blog site of your own. <br /><br />You can also take your Amazon discussions to an online forum, e.g. the Skeptics Society Forum or RODOH.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-70207384098643609282015-09-24T05:25:30.161+01:002015-09-24T05:25:30.161+01:00Can anyone tell me how I might be able to create a...Can anyone tell me how I might be able to create an original post on this site? I recently wrote reviews (favorable) on Amazon for "The Six Million" (Winter) and "Breaking the Spell" (Kollerstrom), and wanted to move discussions that got started in the Amazon "comments" (regarding my reviews) to a more appropriate forum. Specifically, a chap by the name of "I. White" wants to challenge assertions made in these two books, and I'm looking for a forum where the community might be able to help me in responding to him. I'm relatively new to the whole topic, so some of you more experienced researchers might be able to help me out to this end. Also, I'm trying to reconcile some of the numbers and dates in the "Wannsee conference" docs and would like to ask some questions and get some input from the community.<br />I confess that I'm relatively new to this whole "blogging" thing, so any advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated.<br />Thanks, and I look forward to "blogging" with you all in the future.<br />Sincerely,<br />John ReidAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527314593120839956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-64587149389296678812015-09-23T19:50:04.981+01:002015-09-23T19:50:04.981+01:00I've found articles that indicate that Red Cro...I've found articles that indicate that Red Cross knew about the Holocaust.<br />http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/19/us/red-cross-admits-knowing-of-the-holocaust-during-the-war.html<br />http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/307051/red-cross-admits-world-war-ii-failings-as-holocaust-spread/<br />I understand some of the reasoning for not reporting but it does help explain why the RC was silent during the war.<br /><br />J Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04893548775462142380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-28566092237232729062015-09-23T13:24:40.939+01:002015-09-23T13:24:40.939+01:00Please let me know how I can join this blog (http:...Please let me know how I can join this blog (http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/) in order to post a NEW SUBMISSION (new thread). I have read, and reviewed on Amazon, "The Six Million" (Peter Winter) and "Breaking the Spell" (N. Kollerstrom), and am currently battling "Mr. White" in the Amazon "comments" forum regarding my reviews of these books. I wish to move my battle with "Mr. White" from Amazon.com (which I do not believe to be an appropriate forum) to a blog on the subject, but have been unable to find a way to submit a new thread to any of the available forums on the subject. I would very much like to invite "Mr. White" to join me in a further discussion (and thus open it up to a wider audience), but I simply cannot find a way to get into an appropriate forum, and further to invite "Mr. White" to join me in that forum.<br />I confess to having a low level of expertise when it comes to blogs, but I'm not internet-incompetent. It seems to me that there ought to be some relatively easy way for me to join an appropriate blog.<br />Can you help?<br />Please reply to this comment, or by e-mail to jreid@reidlawllc.com.<br />Thank you.<br />John ReidAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527314593120839956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-30496064921498664742015-09-22T15:11:34.638+01:002015-09-22T15:11:34.638+01:00I wrote a long response last year which I posted h...I wrote a long response last year which I posted here:<br /><br />http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/03/mattognos-deceptions-on-nazi-policy.html<br /><br />I have been doing a lot of work in other fields since 2011, especially on Florida history, which is increasing each year, so that would limit my ability to add any further to the above, but in any case, it seems from recent trends that Mattogno can only repeat himself at this point and I doubt any new ideas will be forthcoming from him that require further rebuttal.<br /><br />Thus I suspect that my contribution to any co-ordinated reply with my fellow authors would be largely a reiteration of the above, plus various blog articles I have written since that date, such as the replies to Jansson of a few months ago.Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-89562685819709369352015-09-22T11:29:35.055+01:002015-09-22T11:29:35.055+01:00Hi Arthur,
Don't know about my co-authors (w...Hi Arthur, <br /><br />Don't know about my co-authors (which do not include Hans, whose specialty is Auschwitz), but I intend to publish a blog response to chapters 11 and 12 of MGK's magnum opus. When it will be ready I don't know, as I again have a lot of other things (some of them far more interesting than Holocaust denial topics in general and Mattogno's boring and often infantile ravings in particular) on my plate, like I had over most of the past two years.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.com