tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post6629071556136762095..comments2024-03-20T07:25:58.202+00:00Comments on Holocaust Controversies: 5 million non-Jewish victims? (Part 1)Nicholas Terryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-70363630693848197202011-08-29T23:15:55.147+01:002011-08-29T23:15:55.147+01:00As a historian (amateur), I resent history being u...As a historian (amateur), I resent history being used and twisted to support one or another political agenda, and this is definitely happening with one class of 'Holocaust Denier' - those who wish to portray the Nazi mass murder policy as exclusively Jewish.<br /><br />Twist things as they will, we cannot hide that millions of Jews were killed by various means, and millions of non-Jews died beside them. To remember and respect one group while airbrushing the other out of history is bad for all of us.<br /><br />In a village in SE Slovakia I have seen a village memorial with the names of murdered Jewish and JW victims together. That is the way they should be remembered.Jacquelinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14383445294405877750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-56720577540737735122011-06-30T12:51:31.952+01:002011-06-30T12:51:31.952+01:00The WatchTower Cult, in calling its own members --...The WatchTower Cult, in calling its own members -- "Jehovah's Witnesses" -- is attempting to steal that designation away from the Jewish people. This is the very reason that for the past three decades that the WatchTower Cult has had a corporate department dedicated to making certain that every single Holocaust rememberance of any size or type -- newspaper article, book, speech, museum, etc -- anywhere in the world, publicize the fact that the WatchTower Cult's own "Jehovah's Witnesses" were equally persecuted alongside "natural" Jews. This is the WatchTower Cult's way of claiming that "Satan" and his human supporters hate "Jehovah's Witnesses" as much or more than they hate natural Jews -- thus attempting to prevent the Jewish people from laying claim to any spiritual significance that might be interpreted from the Holocaust experience. <br /><br />In 1933, after the Nazis first started arresting some German JWs, the WatchTower Cult issued a public proclamation of appeasement which condemned an imagined partnership between "Jewish Big Business" and the governments of the United States and Great Britain, which supposedly oppressed and exploited other countries, including Germany. The WatchTower Cult's proclamation condemned the Americans and the British as "the most oppressive empire on earth".<br /><br />A conciliatory letter also was sent to Hitler, which highlighted those areas in which the WatchTower Cult supported the new Nazi government. The letter even claimed that the U.S. Government had imprisoned the leaders of the WatchTower Cult during WW1 because they refused to print anti-German propaganda.<br /><br />During the early years of World War 2, when Germany and Japan were having much success on the battlefields, the WatchTower Cult started teaching that the Bible prophesied that the Axis Powers would defeat and rule over the United States, Britain, and other Allies. <br /><br />In the United States, JWs went to the homes of families of American service men and women and told those parents, siblings, and spouses that Germany was prophesied to win the war, and that in fighting against Hitler, American and British soldiers were fighting against God's will. A Jehovah's Witness named Taylor was arrested after going to two homes of dead servicemen and telling their families that their sons had died while opposing God's will. Don't believe this? Read 1943 U.S. Supreme Court case TAYLOR v. MISSISSIPPI. Remember the actual historical context the next time you read some liberal newspaper or book's account about how some poor innocent Jehovah's Witness was beaten during WW2 for doing nothing except preaching the Bible door-to-door.<br /><br />While it is true that a small number of German and other European JWs suffered greatly during the early stages of the Holocaust, it is also true that during the latter stages of the Holocaust that imprisoned JWs became exemplary Nazi collaborators highly valued by the Nazis.<br /><br />Over the decades, the WatchTower Cult itself has published numerous biographical stories in which imprisoned JWs are praised for having been given positions of authority and responsibility within the various Nazi concentration camps. Various Nazi officials are quoted praising those JWs for not only their work, but their work ethic and supportive attitudes.<br /><br />In fact, one of Heinrich Himmler's deputies even sent Himmler a report suggesting that after Germany won the war that conquered non-Germanic christian countries be forced to convert to the Jehovah's Witness religion, so as to maintain a controlling religious element in those people's lives which would pose no threat to Nazi political control.JJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04519473770669042975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-69037863155483120042011-06-30T12:50:48.649+01:002011-06-30T12:50:48.649+01:00HIDDEN FACTS REVISIONISTS DON'T WANT YOU TO KN...HIDDEN FACTS REVISIONISTS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND THE JEWS, NAZIS, HOLOCAUST, AND WW2.<br /><br />In the late 1960s, the WatchTower Society commissioned an exact and comprehensive history of Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany, which was to include exact and precise statistics for the Holocaust period, which were to be extracted from not only government archives, but, more importantly, from the WatchTower Cult's own METICULOUS RECORDS in Germany and other European countries. That report was published by the WatchTower Cult in 1973.<br /> <br />Apparently, the WatchTower Cult was greatly disappointed in the Holocaust statistics uncovered by its own legal researchers, because that report has rarely been cited by the WatchTower Cult in its' own Holocaust-related articles published subsequent to the 1973 report. Instead of using its' own documented exact statistics, both the WatchTower Cult and individual Jehovah's Witnesses routinely cite inflated statistics from non-WatchTower sources whose numbers are inflated "guestimates", or are inflated numbers from unreliable and inaccurate records.<br /> <br />Accordingly to the WatchTower Cult's own 1973 report, only 6019 Jehovah's Witnesses were arrested in Germany during the 12 year Nazi period of 1933 through 1945. Only 2000 German JWs were ever sent to concentration camps. Only 203 were executed. Another 432 German JWs died while in custody in all German jails, prisons, and camps. <br /><br />Exact numbers for other Nazi-occupied countries are unknown. Even Holocaust experts who inflate German JW statistics guestimate that only<br />600-800 non-German JWs from Nazi-occupied countries were ever sent to concentration camps. Mortality figures are not known.<br /><br />Thus, only 2600-2800 Jehovah's Witnesses were ever sent to Nazi concentration camps. Death statistics are not known, but can be reasonably estimated to be in the 500-700 range. The JW TOTAL for 1933-1945 is about HALF the DAILY AVERAGE of Jewish deaths -- 1370 every single day for the 12 year Nazi period.<br /><br />During this same 1933-1945 time period, there were more Jehovah's Witnesses arrested and jailed in the United States than in Germany. In fact, just during 1941-1945, approximately 4500 American Jehovah's Witnesses men "elected" to go to prison rather than serve in the U.S. Military and help stop Nazis atrocities against their fellow JWs.<br /><br />Approximately 3000 of those 4500 American JWs were even offered "conscientious objector" status, in which they were offered "non-combatant" work as a substitute for military service, but 99% of those 3000 American JWs refused to help out even that much.<br /><br />It is an insult to memorialize the small handful of anti-societal, trouble-seeking Jehovah's Witnesses alongside the 6,000,000+ Jewish Holocaust victims given that Jehovah's Witnesses view the Jewish people much as did the Nazis.<br /><br />The WatchTower Cult preaches its own version of "replacement theology", which teaches that YHWH rejected the Jews as His "chosen people", and<br />replaced the Jewish people with today's "Jehovah's Witnesses". The WatchTower Cult teaches that modern-day Jews are YHWH's enemies, and that all of the YHWH's promises of restoration for the Jewish people now belong to the followers of the WatchTower Cult.<br /><br />In fact, the title "Jehovah's Witnesses" was originally applied to the Jewish people by the Prophet Isaiah, and that scripture is even memorialized on the wall inside the front entrance of the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C.JJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04519473770669042975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-17070140462255911912008-05-04T23:57:00.000+01:002008-05-04T23:57:00.000+01:00>Your blogs are an important start >in addressing ...>Your blogs are an important start >in addressing that flaw in >current Holocaust approaches.<BR/><BR/>Thanks, Jon. That was one of my aims in writing them.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-34834182921475852062008-05-03T20:52:00.000+01:002008-05-03T20:52:00.000+01:00Roberto, looking again at Berenbaum's quote, I thi...Roberto, looking again at Berenbaum's quote, I think he has simply made an 'apples v oranges' error when comparing the 6m Jewish Holocaust deaths with the non-Jewish deaths inflicted by the 'Nazi killing apparatus'. I think he meant the 'killing apparatus' to only include direct killing (hanging, gassing, shooting, etc) and not starvation and deliberate expose to disease, forgetting that a significant portion of the 6m died by the latter means.<BR/><BR/>This error probably occurs repeatedly in Holocaust discussions. For example, I'm sure that Wiesenthal never considered the starvation of Leningrad when concocting his 5m fiction. The error is so ingrained that people like Berenbaum make it automatically. Your blogs are an important start in addressing that flaw in current Holocaust approaches.Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-68727260805119568112008-04-30T02:33:00.000+01:002008-04-30T02:33:00.000+01:00There is no controversy here. All of these people ...There is no controversy here. All of these people died at the hand of a devil. What I think is confusing to folks is that the "burnt sacrifice" was labled as Jewish, because the Jews per capita were a smaller race of people versus the Roman Christians. Statistically there were less Jews and they were almost completely wiped off the planet. So, Hitler planned to estinguish them as a priority and almost accomplished it. This DOES NOT mean that everyone else who the Nazi's murdered should not be recognized in this atrocity. History kept this truth from all of us. Hitler started with the Jews and planned on killing the rest of the world who wasn't a Nazi. This included iranians. The same regime who says the holocaust never happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-61009217726368229342008-04-29T03:33:00.000+01:002008-04-29T03:33:00.000+01:00Henry Friedlander argues that there were only thre...Henry Friedlander argues that there were only three groups whose deaths at Nazi hands can be classified as genocide - Jews, Gypsies and the disabled - as these groups were the ones defined in purely racial terms. Friedlander's criterion is far too narrow - and ignores the ways in which Soviets were described as 'Asiatic' and Slavs were destined for genocide after the Jews had been finished off. However, this still leaves an unanswered question as to where we draw the line between genocidal killing and pragmatic murder for strategic/military ends. I'm not sure that such a line could ever be done unambiguously. There will be some groups who could have been killed on either, or both, grounds, so it is not a simple case of "either genocide or wartime pragmatism".Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-23023322556326348732008-04-28T17:12:00.000+01:002008-04-28T17:12:00.000+01:00Jehovahs Witnesses:Victims of the Nazi Era Jeho...Jehovahs Witnesses:<BR/>Victims of the Nazi Era<BR/><BR/> <BR/> Jehovah's Witnesses endured intense persecution under the Nazi regime. Actions against the religious group and its individual members spanned the Nazi years 1933 to 1945. Unlike Jews and Sinti and Roma ("Gypsies"), persecuted and killed by virtue of their birth, Jehovah's Witnesses had the opportunity to escape persecution and personal harm by renouncing their religious beliefs. The courage the vast majority displayed in refusing to do so, in the face of torture, maltreatment in concentration camps, and sometimes execution, won them the respect of many contemporaries.<BR/> <BR/> <BR/>Even before 1933, despite their small numbers, door-to-door preaching and the identification of Jehovah's Witnesses as heretics by the mainstream Protestant and Catholic churches made them few friends. Individual German states and local authorities periodically sought to limit the group's proselytizing activities with charges of illegal peddling. There were also outright bans on Jehovah's Witnesses' religious literature, which included the booklets The Watch Tower and The Golden Age. The courts, by contrast, often ruled in favor of the religious minority. Meanwhile, in the early 1930s, Nazi brownshirted storm troopers, acting outside the law, broke up Bible study meetings and beat up, individual Witnesses.<BR/><BR/>After the Nazis came to power, persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses intensified . Small as the movement was, it offered, in scholar Christine King's words, a "rival ideology" and "rival center of loyalty" to the Nazi movement. Although honest and as law–abiding as their religious beliefs allowed, Jehovah's Witnesses saw themselves as citizens of Jehovah's Kingdom; they refused to swear allegiance to any worldly government. They were not pacifists, but as soldiers in Jehovah's army, they would not bear arms for any nation.<BR/><BR/>Jehovah's Witnesses, in Germany as in the United States, had refused to fight in World War I. This stance contributed to hostility against them in a Germany still wounded by defeat in that war and fervently nationalistic, attempting to reclaim its previous world stature. In Nazi Germany, Jehovah's Witnesses refused to raise their arms in the "Heil, Hitler!" salute; they did not vote in elections; they would not join the army or the German Labor Front (a Nazi affiliate, which all salaried employees were required to join after 1934).<BR/><BR/><BR/>By 1939, an estimated 6,000 Witnesses (including those from incorporated Austria and Czechoslovakia) were detained in prisons or camps. Some Witnesses were tortured by police in attempts to make them sign a declaration renouncing their faith, but few capitulated.<BR/><BR/>In response to Nazi efforts to destroy them, the worldwide Jehovah's Witness organization became a center of spiritual resistance against the Nazis. <BR/><BR/><BR/>The children of Jehovah's Witnesses also suffered. In classrooms, teachers ridiculed children who refused to give the "Heil, Hitler!" salute or sing patriotic songs. Classmates shunned and beat up young Witnesses. Principals expelled them from schools. Families were broken up as authorities took children away from their parents and sent them to reform schools, orphanages, or private homes, to be brought up as Nazis.<BR/><BR/>After 1939 most active Jehovah's Witnesses were incarcerated in prisons or concentration camps. Some had fled Germany. In the camps, all prisoners wore markings of various shapes and colors so that guards and camp officers could identify them by category. Witnesses were marked by purple triangular patches. <BR/><BR/>In the Nazi years, about 10,000 Witnesses, most of them of German nationality, were imprisoned in concentration camps. After 1939, small numbers of Witnesses from Austria, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, the Netherlands, Norway, and Poland (some of them refugees from Germany) were arrested and deported to Dachau, Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen, Ravensbrück, Auschwitz, Mauthausen, and other concentration camps. An estimated 2,500 to 5,000 Witnesses died in the camps or prisons. More than 200 men were tried by the German War Court and executed for refusing military service.<BR/><BR/>During the liberation of the camps, Jehovah's Witnesses continued their work, moving among the survivors, making converts.Queruvimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18205843509320260310noreply@blogger.com