tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post6226075816689748382..comments2024-03-29T13:40:51.077+00:00Comments on Holocaust Controversies: More «Evidence for the Presence of "Gassed" Jews in the Occupied Eastern Territories» (1)Nicholas Terryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-62570964757446261932018-08-19T15:44:33.480+01:002018-08-19T15:44:33.480+01:00In other words, Gruenberg's statement is not e...In other words, Gruenberg's statement is not evidence for the revisionist 'transit' thesis, because several alternative evaluations of it can be made, which the deniers haven't been able to rule out. <br /><br />Essentially all sources cited in favour of 'resettlement' are "inherently vague" and therefore are not reliable sources to support the thesis. They are also infinitely more vague, and significantly fewer in number, than testimonies reporting extermination.Nicholas Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-10022776754411362422018-08-18T20:42:30.892+01:002018-08-18T20:42:30.892+01:00"As he often never even heard where arrivals ..."As he often never even heard where arrivals had come from, his assumption may have been just an educated guess, and as concerns Auschwitz even some embellishment (due to Auschwitz being such a "famous" place) is not out of the question." This is at odds with Harrison's interpretation, as he claims that it is possible that he was only referring to earlier transports. This is the problem with Gruneberg's statement: it is inherently vague as evidenced by the differing interpretations given by Kues, Harrison, and you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-45976205681102665992011-01-31T23:13:07.567+00:002011-01-31T23:13:07.567+00:00For the Lida deportation, we have the testimony of...For the Lida deportation, we have the testimony of Otto Weisbecker, in Arad, pp.135-36:<br /><br />"As a building engineer I came to Lida and worked there on the railways.... In the ghetto, which was subordinated to the Gebiets¬kommissar [district commissar], were 1,400 Jews. At the building site that I headed, 1,300 Jews and their families, who were accommodated in a camp, were engaged.... <br /><br />Approximately in the middle of 1943, the Security Police arrived in Lida. . . . All the Jews were then subordinated to the Security Police. One day, these Jews from the ghetto—men, women, and children, were loaded onto freight cars and under the direction of HaupttruppFührer Bache from Organization Todt they were transferred to Sobibor. <br /><br />The next day I received an order from the head of my department, the architect Hans W., to transfer our Jews to Lublin for a working mission. The Jews were loaded on the train that day, sixty people to a freight car. I was the commander of the transport, and I had at my disposal a police sergeant and nineteen Polish policemen. . . .<br /><br />In spite of the security measures, between twenty and twenty-five Jews escaped on the way. . . . A sentry in Sobibor told me that the transport would be liquidated in the morning. Next morning I came into the camp and was brought to the commander, who was in the breakfast barrack.... <br /><br />On the wall of this barrack was a big plan of the camp. I could see on it that the 1,400 Jews that Bache had brought the day before could not possibly be accommodated in the existing barracks. In reference to my question to the camp commander, where can he accommodate the Jews I had brought, he told me that of the 1,400 Jews of yesterday’s transport, nobody remained."<br /><br />This quote appears partially in MKG's Sobibor but the key parts that reveal the fate of the Sobibor jews are omitted.Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-37828089052100347162011-01-31T22:47:28.801+00:002011-01-31T22:47:28.801+00:00Here is some further information showing why Minsk...Here is some further information showing why Minsk is a red herring.<br /><br />In the meeting held on 13.7.43 (NO-1831), Rosenberg stated that 4,500 persons had been killed by partisans in GK Shitomir (part of RK Ukraine) in the past year. Berger stated that anti-partisan operations would be intensified in White Ruthenia and Ukraine. Sauckel made a suggestion “to declare the partisan areas theaters of operations and to evacuate them”. Kube then requested the evacuation of White Ruthenia’s remaining 16,000 Jews. Meyer responded that the whole of the Ostland had 72,000 Jews, of which 50,000 would be concentrated into camps and 22,000 would be resettled. <br /><br />These measures were in accordance with Himmler’s instructions of 21.6.43 that “all Jews still remaining in ghettos in the Ostland area be collected in concentration camps” and “Inmates of the Jewish ghettos who are not required are to be evacuated to the East.” <br /><br />http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Ostland.html<br /><br />Kube requested an exemption for 4,000 Jews employed by the Wehrmacht in Minsk , but Himmler ordered that these Jews be sent “to Lublin or to another place.” (NO-3370) <br /><br />There was clearly no option to keep these Jews in the Ostland, so it must be concluded that Himmler’s intention was to totally clear White Ruthenia of Jews by sending them westwards to the General Government. This documentation therefore converges with the evidence that Minsk Jews were sent to Sobibor in September 1943. <br /><br />Kues and Mattogno simply ignore this papertrail. Kues fusses over Smolar’s citation that there were still 8,794 Jews in Minsk after the massacres of July 1942, but Smolar’s finding does not deviate from the facts established in well-known Nuremberg documentation: Kube had reported 2,600 Reich and 6,000 Russian Jew survivors on 31.7.42:<br /><br />http://www.historiography-project.com/nca/nca06/3428-ps.html<br /><br />The Jewish population of Minsk therefore remained static from 31.7.42 until the 13.7.43 meeting, as the latter reported 8,500 Jews remaining in Minsk. <br /><br />Kues presents no testimony or documentation concerning Minsk that refutes the extermination narrative that was established by the end of Berger’s trial at Nuremberg.Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.com