tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post4476368523293880971..comments2024-03-20T07:25:58.202+00:00Comments on Holocaust Controversies: Mattogno, his Einsatzgruppen book and the Gas Vans. Part III: Genesis and Pictures That Say it AllNicholas Terryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-71952708977717455492019-01-29T03:24:09.689+00:002019-01-29T03:24:09.689+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Herman Bjornsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15892666694197528346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-5402962282429056752019-01-05T14:12:18.944+00:002019-01-05T14:12:18.944+00:00BRoI, you really do have a problem with staying on...BRoI, you really do have a problem with staying on-topic, don't you? It's kind of cute that we don't even need to say 'Candyman, Candyman, Candyman, Candyman, Candyman' but can just mention a name once, and you materialise to regale everyone with a point of disagreement or error somewhere else in the book/article, even if it's of no relevance to the topic under discussion. Nicholas Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-1291702845177518872019-01-05T01:48:50.935+00:002019-01-05T01:48:50.935+00:00NT >>> "... as reconstructed by Pier...NT >>> "... as reconstructed by Pierre Choumoff in his book on Nazi gassings in Austria (which also covers the Mauthausen-Gusen gas chambers and use of the gas van operating between these two camps)."<br /><br />That would be his 1987 book in which he apparently published a photo of one of the two metals doors of the Mauthausen GC but mentioned nothing of them being post-war additions. <a href="http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/25-itgc.pdf" rel="nofollow">See p.138.</a> The therein quoted caption also appeared alongside a photo of one of the doors in a <a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9IhwxpF0s5Q/XDAF0cpKLFI/AAAAAAAAThU/Qm25bgM8fmQrUndA4SKkM_1zyGj4wUc9wCLcBGAs/s1600/8.png" rel="nofollow">1986 article</a>. <br /><br />Here's Choumoff claiming they were originals back in <a href="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-My-95QSo9Wg/XDAAIoLgq8I/AAAAAAAAThI/KLzhwTYGKu8D6mNlt374-9GwmXtp6xkywCLcBGAs/s1600/6.png" rel="nofollow">1969.</a> The photo caption reads: <i>"Chambre à Gaz de Mauthausen, telle qu'on peut toujours la voir. Des milliers de visiteurs ont constaté que les portes avec joints d'étanchéité, fermeture uniquement de l'extérieur, oeilletons de contrôle, n'ont rien à voir avec l'équipement d'une salle de douches.</i>"<br /><br />March 1973 saw the release of Dark Side of the Moon, and, far less notably, a Jacques Delarue's <a href="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Dv1ASDJ_Rgc/XDAIZsrur1I/AAAAAAAAThg/aBwshS2F0ogeN57_DsFOmRZOA4paEsO0ACLcBGAs/s1600/9.png" rel="nofollow">review</a> of an earlier Choumoff book which claims the gas chamber and its doors [inc pix] are originals:<br /> <br /><i>"Les 3 sortes de Preuves <br />Tout cela s'appuie solidement sur trois sortes de preuves: les documents qui, indiscutablement, constituent des pièces capitales ; les témoignages, ceux des victimes et ceux des bourreaux, car Serge CHOUMOFF a traqué chacune de leurs phrases et les a admirablement explicitées ; et sur les preuves matérielles enfin, puisque la chambre à gaz du camp principal de Mauthausen existe toujours, la fausse salle de douches dont il suffit de regarder la porte à fermeture étanche, munie d'un judas, pour comprendre quel en était le véritable usage. Tout cela est présenté au lecteur à l'aide d'excellentes photographies. Comment discuter tout cela? Il fallait évidemment prendre la peine d'aller le regarder de façon parfaitement objective."</i>The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-29769127295970696372018-12-29T22:26:42.148+00:002018-12-29T22:26:42.148+00:00DasPrussian: "Hans do you know if Mattogno is...DasPrussian: "Hans do you know if Mattogno is aware of the articles you have produced on gas vans ? Considering you virtually demolished all denier arguments in the series you posted on here a while ago , I would have thought he would have had something to say on the matter, even if it was just an apology for presenting rubbish arguments."<br /><br />What Mattogno did and didn't absorb has become quite hard to follow. <br /><br />Hans showed in part I of this series that the October 2016 Italian edition, as well as the 2018 English edition of the Einsatzgruppen book, omitted an argument about Saurer vehicles all being diesels, which would suggest that he took notice of Hans's criticisms of Alvarez on this issue.<br />http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2018/12/mattogno-his-einsatzgruppen-book-and.html<br /><br />The silent dropping of 'diesel' is a major admission of defeat, sotto voce<br /><br />But as Hans showed in part II, Mattogno made the English edition of the Einsatzgruppen worse on the subject of vom dem Bach-Zelewski's testimony about Himmler's visit to Minsk in August 1941. So we wondered whether the English edition was based on the wrong draft or there was some kind of goof in the editing. <br /><br />Since Mattogno likes to recycle his own writings, totally revising his arguments on the gas vans was likely not going to happen, even with all of the posts Hans made on gas vans in the run-up to the October 2016 Italian edition of the Einsatzgruppen book vol. 1 (with the chapter on gas vans). He clearly ignored nearly every post on gas vans since autumn 2016 for the 2018 English edition. <br />Nicholas Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-16882246717626207612018-12-29T22:04:30.513+00:002018-12-29T22:04:30.513+00:00DasPrussian, as Hans has pointed out, some of the ...DasPrussian, as Hans has pointed out, some of the CO bottle docs refer to orders dating back to January 1942. <br /><br />The one site still using bottled CO gas in 1944-45 was Hartheim; the other T4 centres were dismantled by then, or had switched to using lethal injections (eg Hadamar). In 1942, after the suspension of the main T4 operation, various T4 centres continued to be involved in Aktion 14 f 13, the euthanasia of concentration camp inmates, but 14 f 13 was formally suspended in April 1943. The WVHA opted to transfer weakened inmates to Majdanek and Auschwitz for a time, but in 1944 there were transports from IIRC Dachau and Ravensbrueck to Hartheim, as reconstructed by Pierre Choumoff in his book on Nazi gassings in Austria (which also covers the Mauthausen-Gusen gas chambers and use of the gas van operating between these two camps). Hartheim was only dismantled and covered up in 1945.<br />Nicholas Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-80952829691820315722018-12-29T21:42:16.981+00:002018-12-29T21:42:16.981+00:00Hans do you know if Mattogno is aware of the artic...Hans do you know if Mattogno is aware of the articles you have produced on gas vans ? Considering you virtually demolished all denier arguments in the series you posted on here a while ago , I would have thought he would have had something to say on the matter, even if it was just an apology for presenting rubbish arguments.<br /><br />As for your fine work above, I noticed that most of the documents you present re euthanasia and the bottled CO are from 1944-45. What euthanasia operations were being carried out during those years ? ( I must admit my knowledge on T4 isn't really that great ).<br /><br />PS - thanks for the time and effort you put in to produce these articles. They are always a good read.DasPrussianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04393315985932866161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-43410115594365555682018-12-29T17:57:03.804+00:002018-12-29T17:57:03.804+00:00More mass graves/remains monomania from 'Chick...More mass graves/remains monomania from 'Chick Fil-A' was removed. Since sections 6.1-6.3 of part I of Mattogno's Einsatzgruppen book do not rely on mass graves/remains arguments, raising mass graves/remains (a) concedes Hans's criticisms of Mattogno and (b) is off-topic for this post. Nicholas Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.com