tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post1935121279380089381..comments2024-03-28T22:15:31.901+00:00Comments on Holocaust Controversies: Friedrich Jansson responded … Nicholas Terryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-8530886299514924862015-05-01T01:11:04.996+01:002015-05-01T01:11:04.996+01:00@Daft Rabbit
Biased moderators at SSF?? HAHAHAHAH...@Daft Rabbit<br /><br />Biased moderators at SSF?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!<br /><br />One of the least moderated forums I have ever been on. Dogzilla and Eric Hunt can spew racist remarks for pages on end without warning. You sir are simply a weakling. Admit it. You prefer a forum run by a Neo-Nazi creep where you can publish your opponents personal details for kicks without punishment. <br /><br />Nice shift of subject and use of adhoms without context by the way.<br /><br />Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-66635548209450370062015-04-16T10:44:10.362+01:002015-04-16T10:44:10.362+01:00He's still pissed off at his foolishness over ...He's still pissed off at his foolishness over the sugar issueJonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-57181070670733613542015-04-15T19:30:38.512+01:002015-04-15T19:30:38.512+01:00«That's the extent of you proof! That website,...«That's the extent of you proof! That website, which "fails to mention that there were two ghettos in Kovel.»<br /><br />Website contains the following information: <br /><i>«Actually there were two ghettos, one within the city and another in the suburbs of Pyaski, both numbered about 24,000. The Jews from two ghettos were executed at different places and at different time. For more details, please look the profile of Kovel.»</i><br /><br />So what is the rabbit talking about?Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-89918398940229002042015-04-15T19:25:51.067+01:002015-04-15T19:25:51.067+01:00«JH Rabbit fails to mention that there were two gh...«JH Rabbit fails to mention that there were two ghettos in Kovel so the answer can clearly be "both". Arad is mistaken to say they were all killed in the one place.<br /><br />No he didn't, he wrote:<br /><br />"the 14,000 Jews in the Kovel ghettoes"»<br /><br />Then he did exactly what JH said he did. :-)Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-68314605880137827062015-04-15T13:53:22.711+01:002015-04-15T13:53:22.711+01:00JH Rabbit fails to mention that there were two ghe...JH <i>Rabbit fails to mention that there were two ghettos in Kovel so the answer can clearly be "both". Arad is mistaken to say they were all killed in the one place.</i><br /><br />No he didn't, he wrote:<br /><br />"the 14,000 Jews in the Kovel ghettoes"<br /><br />You can make it you little challenge for the day to learn the difference between the words "ghetto" and "ghettoes". Best of luck. <br /><br />JH <i>Arad is mistaken to say they were all killed in the one place. http://yahadmap.org/bakhiv-volyn-ukraine/village-4#village/bakhiv-volyn-ukraine.4</i><br /><br />That's the extent of you proof! That website, which <i>"fails to mention that there were two ghettos in Kovel</i>.The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-12781047379174955562015-04-15T13:43:39.733+01:002015-04-15T13:43:39.733+01:00Mr & Mrs Nathan Jeff.
I've never signed u...Mr & Mrs Nathan Jeff.<br /><br />I've never signed up to Skeptic. <br /><br />Just because someone opts to use the screen name 'Black Rabbit' doesn't necessarily mean it's me.<br /><br />https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=54290#p54290<br />The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-35937295403156256732015-04-15T12:44:42.027+01:002015-04-15T12:44:42.027+01:00Rabbit,
On another blog you claimed that
«One ...Rabbit, <br /><br />On another blog you claimed that <br /><br />«One of you also blocked a comment from me on your Holy Innocents' Cemetery post.»<br /><br />I just checked the section of posts awaiting moderation again, and there's nothing pending. <br /><br />So whatever it was you claim to have posted, please post it again. We don't want any of your immortal droppings to be lost.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-69066935212666057812015-04-15T10:47:59.116+01:002015-04-15T10:47:59.116+01:00«Get a life, rabbit.
I've got a great one, th...«Get a life, rabbit.<br /><br />I've got a great one, thanks bobby. I just stop by here occasionally to brighten up yours.»<br /><br />Why, the rabbit felt compelled to respond. Looks like I hit the nail on the head.:-)Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-42434679923432073212015-04-15T10:41:15.671+01:002015-04-15T10:41:15.671+01:00For anyone who's wondering why dumbass has it ...For anyone who's wondering why dumbass has it in for the SSF, this thread exists.<br /><br />http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=24902&sid=e459145b8013cccea507eb1acc4317ad&start=40<br /><br />Dumbass was banned after five posts because he was being disruptive and didn't really add anything to the discussion. That's not the moderator being biased- that's him doing his job.<br />Dumbass is just being a dumbass. Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660486969581542489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-10036861107227404842015-04-15T02:35:09.262+01:002015-04-15T02:35:09.262+01:00For anyone who would like a good laugh, there'...For anyone who would like a good laugh, there's this thread.<br /><br />http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=24902&start=40<br /><br />The moderators aren't biased, dumbass is just being a dumbass.Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660486969581542489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-7963375537367648172015-04-15T00:03:13.679+01:002015-04-15T00:03:13.679+01:00"were the Kovel Jews shot and buried in Bakhi..."were the Kovel Jews shot and buried in Bakhiv or Kamen-Kashirskki?"<br /><br />Rabbit fails to mention that there were two ghettos in Kovel so the answer can clearly be "both". Arad is mistaken to say they were all killed in the one place.<br /><br />http://yahadmap.org/bakhiv-volyn-ukraine/village-4#village/bakhiv-volyn-ukraine.4Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-17655094249380201952015-04-14T21:13:12.668+01:002015-04-14T21:13:12.668+01:00Get a life, rabbit.
I've got a great one, tha...<i>Get a life, rabbit.</i><br /><br />I've got a great one, thanks bobby. I just stop by here occasionally to brighten up yours.The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-33727359096601580842015-04-14T20:27:30.103+01:002015-04-14T20:27:30.103+01:00Same goes for the introductory BS.
Get a life, r...Same goes for the introductory BS. <br /><br />Get a life, rabbit.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-15750940128904728072015-04-14T20:25:14.124+01:002015-04-14T20:25:14.124+01:00«So who's right Desbois or Arad; were the Kove...«So who's right Desbois or Arad; were the Kovel Jews shot and buried in Bakhiv or Kamen-Kashirskki?»<br /><br />Don't know, and the imbecilic "skipped" will be added to my collection of imbecilic BRoIan utterances.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-16629204006700726162015-04-14T19:52:09.321+01:002015-04-14T19:52:09.321+01:00lol @ Jeff the master debater with his spurious cl...lol @ Jeff the master debater with his spurious claim about a fallacy, and five insults in just 3 sentences.<br /><br />SSF has the same problem codoh does: biased moderators. Hence why I don't bother with the former and rarely post on the latter.<br /><br />Jeff, see you next Tuesday. :)<br /><br />The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-53060466740189361742015-04-14T19:47:42.981+01:002015-04-14T19:47:42.981+01:00RM "... the pilfering of Jewish mass graves ...RM "... the pilfering of Jewish mass graves in Ukraine may not be unusual even today. On pp. 145f. of Holocaust by Bullets, Father Patrick Desbois described coming upon the leftovers of such an occurrence"<br /><br />Ah, Desbois, never was there a more likely buyer of a bridge.<br /><br />This astute fellow brought three old wheat threshing machines from residents of Belzec who claimed they'd previously been lent to the the Nazis for sorting gold teeth from ashes at the town's death camp. Desbosi states the Poles had ten ex-death camp threshing machines, so at least didn't buy all of them. (MGK p.993)<br /><br />Anyhow, here's the part of Desbois you skipped:<br /><br />"On April 6, we were in Bakhiv. We knew that more than 10,000 Jews had been transported here in cattle cars. The train had moved forward until the first compartment had neared the gaping and immense mass grave, dug several days earlier. The doors had opened. Armed guards with dogs had hurried the Jews' descent from the train. The Jews had shouted, cried, and screamed at the sight of the pit that awaited them. They had been surrounded and taken to be killed."<br /><br />Desbois cites not sources, but presumably these two are the source of his claim:<br />http://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn38691<br />http://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn38692<br /><br />One of the summaries claims "smaller-scale shootings of Kovel' Jews and Roma", but Desbois claims 10,000!<br /><br />Arad claims in tHitSU (p.264) that the 14,000 Jews in the Kovel ghettoes were shot in the "limestone mines in the Kamen-Kashirskki" during June and August 1942. Kamen-Kashirskki is 26 miles NNE of Bakhiv.<br /><br />So who's right Desbois or Arad; were the Kovel Jews shot and buried in Bakhiv or Kamen-Kashirskki?<br /><br /> The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-16029203606008025172015-04-13T04:47:43.172+01:002015-04-13T04:47:43.172+01:00....Non Sequitur from a sad, pitiful sack of shit .......Non Sequitur from a sad, pitiful sack of shit with nothing to say on this matter.<br /><br />Just what I would expect from a Daft Rabbit. <br /><br />Maybe he should crawl out of the CODOH nursery and try to hang with the real pros at SSF. Coward.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-22376253213916010762015-04-12T22:19:17.403+01:002015-04-12T22:19:17.403+01:00Bones do have utility in sugar factories:
http://...Bones do have utility in sugar factories:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_char#Sugar_refiningJonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-13943335155053025262015-04-12T19:34:57.855+01:002015-04-12T19:34:57.855+01:00I don't know if bones have any utility at a su...I don't know if bones have any utility at a sugar factory, but the pilfering of Jewish mass graves in Ukraine may not be unusual even today. On pp. 145f. of <i>Holocaust by Bullets</i>, Father Patrick Desbois described coming upon the leftovers of such an occurrence:<br /> <br /><i>Sixty years later we found ourselves in a revolting place. The soil had been recently turned over. Gaping holes surrounded the memorial. Ridges furrowing the earth exposed long white marks: chalk mixed with blood, thrown into the pit by requisitioned neighbors. Pieces of railway track and nails lay on the ground. A channel had been dug, apparently for water to run along it. All the way along the channel there were human bones: femurs and scattered skulls. Indecent and unspeakable. A gold ring, a woman's, was barely covered by sand. She must have thrown it away in desperation, so that the Germans wouldn't get hold of it. I picked it up. My gesture, 60 years later, united me with hers, This ring that escaped the hands of the marauders will become, in museums, the only trace of this unknown woman. We felt nauseous. For the first time, the interpreter went to rest in our blue van. It was too much … All was mixed up with a great deal of trash, as always. We found traces of a picnic, a half-empty jar of large gherkins pickled in vinegar. Micha summed it up with a look: "pilfering, pilfering." The site had been ravaged by the hands of those who are still looking for the Jews' gold and who had scattered all over the place, like trash, the bones of children, women and men who were shot here 60 years ago.</i> <br /><br />This and other excerpts from Desbois' book are included in the thread <a href="http://holocaustcontroversies.yuku.com/topic/1799/Busk#.VSq4LDDAQ" rel="nofollow">Busk</a> of the HC forum.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-90261992808938709702015-04-12T16:59:11.476+01:002015-04-12T16:59:11.476+01:00In a nutty nutshell:
Burying a similar number of ...In a nutty nutshell:<br /><br />Burying a similar number of bodies in similarly sized spaces over seven months and over seven hundred years, are comparable to RM.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-3999492983616780502015-04-12T16:50:51.132+01:002015-04-12T16:50:51.132+01:00Now, what happened with the corpses or skeletons r...<i>Now, what happened with the corpses or skeletons removed from the graves? Were they impiously dropped into the Seine, the way Jansson’s Nazi heroes at Auschwitz-Birkenau dropped the cremation remains of their victims into the nearest river? Were they ground to bone-meal and used as fertilizer?</i><br /><br />Perhaps they were made into sugar:<br /><br />"An Appalling Situation: Neglect of Mass Graves and Sale of Martyrs Bones" by Binyamin West, <i>Vad Washem Bulletin</i>, July 1958, no. 3, p. 12.<br /><br /><i>It is well known that the Nazi extermination program in Russia was marked by its speed and its mass proportions. According to various testimonies of non-Jews, over eighty thousand Jews were massacred in the course of a few days in Kiev ("Babi Yar"), about thirty thousand in Berditchev ("Bald Mountain"), about eighteen thousand in Zhitomir ("Bagonin"), etc. etc. These witnesses relate that masses of Jews were shot and thrown into vast pits which had been dug and prepared in advance. They add that many wounded Jews, who had not yet breathed their last, were also thrown into the pits, as were children who were all alive and had not been shot at all. It is, of course, impossible to determine exactly how many Soviet Jews were killed by the Nazis. Perhaps in the course of time reports on the "actions" in the Ukraine and White Russia, including official figures, will be found in the Nazi archives. One thing is known beyond doubt — that only a small fraction of the Jewish population managed to flee when the Nazis opened their attack on Soviet Russia on June 22, 1941. For some reason the Soviet authorities still guard the details of the Nazi massacre of Russian Jews in secret and have not yet permitted them to be published.<br /><br />The dreadful state of the graves of the Jews who were slaughtered by the Nazis — graves not even marked by a wire fence — may be adduced from the appalling story told to me by a reliable person who arrived in Israel recently: <b>a few years ago the Jews of Zhitomir found out that among the various articles being sold to the scrap-materials warehouse there were also bones, which were sent to the nearby sugar factory. Farmers were supplying this "commodity" in fairly large quantities. Eventually it transpired that these were human bones which were removed from the Jewish mass-grave on the outskirts of the city, considered to be an area belonging to no one. The local Jews were terribly shocked to learn of this, and after the authorities were contacted and informed of the frightful situation, this shameful "commerce" was stopped. It was expected that the criminals, who also turned out to have assisted the Nazis in their brutal massacres, would be brought to justice, but no action was taken.</b><br /><br />I first heard this story twice from second-hand sources. I therefore resolved to investigate and to interrogate someone who was an eyewitness. I went to a new-immigrant town where the living witness now resides. I heard the story for the third time. I inquired into the details, and the frightful truth of the story was fully borne out.</i><br />The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-14692018319012519072015-04-12T13:02:08.960+01:002015-04-12T13:02:08.960+01:00It is also amusing that Jansson plans to ignore us...It is also amusing that Jansson plans to ignore us, given that the whole world ignores his blog and the Naziphilia movement it supports.Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-75525618128292756142015-04-12T11:56:32.924+01:002015-04-12T11:56:32.924+01:00I especially like his "controversial blogger&...I especially like his "controversial blogger" label. It reminds me of Dr. Richard Green's remark in the foreword to his <a href="http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/rudolf/" rel="nofollow">Expert Report</a> submitted in support of Deborah Lipstadt's defense in David Irving's lawsuit against her: <br /><i>«I suppose it is an honor to be called notorious by David Irving.»</i><br />Not exactly an honor as Jansson is not David Irving, but being called "controversial" by a merchant of hate propaganda is amusing.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-82240525250446151772015-04-12T02:26:08.198+01:002015-04-12T02:26:08.198+01:00Jansson: "while I have no intention of wastin...Jansson: "while I have no intention of wasting my time wading too deep into Muehlenkamp’s Slough of Incompetence, I could easily identify some additional defects in the arguments of this controversial blogger; perhaps at some point in the future I will write them up."<br /><br />Jansson's abusiveness seems to directly correlate with his inability to deal with the full documentation concerning the genocide or provide any alternative evidence concerning what happened to these Jews.Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-65389570046874792772015-04-12T02:02:06.864+01:002015-04-12T02:02:06.864+01:00Jansson seems to think we are unworthy of his time...Jansson seems to think we are unworthy of his time: "while I have no intention of wasting my time wading too deep into Muehlenkamp’s Slough of Incompetence, I could easily identify some additional defects in the arguments of this controversial blogger; perhaps at some point in the future I will write them up."<br /><br />Yet Jansson seems to think that his intemperate manure should be worthy of being read by others, who have far better things to do with their time than decipher his evasions of the real issues.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16710060139347588155noreply@blogger.com