tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post8807799507011580496..comments2024-03-28T22:15:31.901+00:00Comments on Holocaust Controversies: 19 November 1942 Nicholas Terryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-87812613200917020722013-07-27T11:23:47.314+01:002013-07-27T11:23:47.314+01:00This is a great piece of work.
Thank you so much f...This is a great piece of work.<br />Thank you so much for sharing the same.<br /><a href="http://www.wholesalewigs.org" rel="nofollow"> Front Lace Wigs</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-91751679174311005602013-01-18T19:15:29.045+00:002013-01-18T19:15:29.045+00:00- You are quoting from an earlier publication of G...- You are quoting from an earlier publication of Grossman's, quoted on page 267 of Beevor's book, which - as is suggested by the scan on your hideous website, but I'll check the book at home) - was merely the retelling of a "story" that someone told to Grossmann, before Grossmann had the opportunity of getting a clearer picture of killing methods at Treblinka by interviewing former inmates of the camp and other witnesses on site. -<br /><br />Five times, then.Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660486969581542489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-61791319606568168762013-01-18T15:27:08.929+00:002013-01-18T15:27:08.929+00:00Btw, you also claim that «steam was the method of ...Btw, you also <a href="http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.de/2011/06/treblinkas-moving-knives-to-cut-up.html?zx=3046c0275a5b4bea" rel="nofollow">claim</a> that <i>«steam was the method of execution at Treblinka that the Allies stuck with at the Nuremberg trial,<br />even though it's was long ago dropped for gassing by engine produced carbon-monoxide»</i>. <br /><br />If that was so, then why is there no mention of "steam" in the IMT's <a href="http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/judwarcr.asp#general" rel="nofollow">judgment</a>, and why does the judgment mention Treblinka only as a camp where people <i>"were destroyed in gas chambers"</i>?<br /><br />I'm referring to the following sentences: <br /><br /><i>"All who were fit to work were used as slave labourers in the concentration camps; all who were not fit to work were destroyed in gas chambers and their bodies burnt. Certain concentration camps such as Treblinka and Auschwitz were set aside for this main purpose."</i>Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-41210429786092364112013-01-18T11:25:12.873+00:002013-01-18T11:25:12.873+00:00«How unlike you Roberto to decided to leave out th...«How unlike you Roberto to decided to leave out this part of Grossman's account of the banya:<br /><br />“Treblinka near Warsaw. The extermination camp for Jews. There was a chamber with moving knives, it was in a basement, under a banya. The bodies were cut into pieces and then burned. There were mountains of ashes, twenty to twenty-five metres high. In one place Jews had been chased into a pond full of acid. Their screams were so terrible that local peasants abandoned their homes.”<br /><br />p.267.»<br /><br />Page 267 of what? <br /><br />Of Beevor's book about Grossmann's writings, which contains Grossman's 1944 account about Treblinka, which appeared in November of that year in <i>Znamya</i> under the title 'The Hell Called Treblinka', and which was the publication of Grossman's I referred to at the beginning of my blog? <br /><br />That account mentions a <i>banya</i> only in the following context: <br /><br /><i>«Inside the women’s barracks was a hairdresser’s. Naked women’s hair was cut with clippers. Wigs were removed from the heads of old women. A terrible psychological phenomenon: according to the hairdressers, for the women, this death haircut was the most convincing proof of being taken to the banya.»</i><br /><br />Nothing there either about moving knives or a pond full of acid. Grossman mentions gas chambers and shooting at the 'Sanitorium'. <br /><br />You are quoting from an earlier publication of Grossman's, quoted on page 267 of Beevor's book, which - as is suggested by the scan on your hideous <a href="http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.de/2011/06/treblinkas-moving-knives-to-cut-up.html?zx=f1d7e5fc3e393dc1" rel="nofollow">website</a>, but I'll check the book at home) - was merely the retelling of a "story" that someone told to Grossmann, before Grossmann had the opportunity of getting a clearer picture of killing methods at Treblinka by interviewing former inmates of the camp and other witnesses on site. <br /><br />And which is therefore highly irrelevant. <br /><br />«I'm being sarcastic of course, selectively quoting sources is what you do best.» <br /><br />That seems to be rather your problem, and the accusation is utter nonsense. I'm not "selectively quoting" if I'm quoting from a particular publication of Grossman's (which, as I pointed out, contains some factual errors) but not from another publication by the same author, written at a time when the author did not yet have access to direct evidence, and which moreover seems to consist only of recounting or reporting someone's "story". <br /><br />«Lying by omission anyone!»<br /><br />Last but not least, could I please have the name of the self-projecting individual who accuses me of "lying by omission"?Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-71220694667183311152013-01-12T07:59:32.506+00:002013-01-12T07:59:32.506+00:00- How unlike you Roberto to decided to leave out t...- How unlike you Roberto to decided to leave out this part of Grossman's account of the banya:-<br /><br />Wow, you actually have the gall to libel Roberto for "leaving something out". You've quote mined no less than four times, in an "attempt" to make something sound like something that it isn't. Fuck offNathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660486969581542489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-15484791264778166902013-01-12T07:20:46.744+00:002013-01-12T07:20:46.744+00:00-To a sane person, one sees this as the general co...-To a <b>sane person</b>, one sees this as the general confusion that results from a “fog of war”. We know that the press is desperately seeking any information that adds to this story, because people are desperate to know what happened? How many were hurt? Is the suspect loose or apprehended? Is this going to keep happening? Will this be the event that finally convinces people to do something about this problem? They also are relying on eye witness reports of individuals who probably only experience a narrow portion of the same events. Eventually the pieces are stitched together, an investigation takes information from all the witnesses and tries to make all the differing accounts mesh. And we know when people are frightened, anything out of the ordinary can and should be reported to make sure every possible lead is followed to its conclusion.-<br /><br />I understand that some news media erroneously reported that Adam Lanza had Alzheimer's.<br /><br />http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2012/12/14/mike-adams-couldnt-go-6-hours-without-promoting-an-insane-conspiracy-theory-about-this-school-shooting/<br /><br />Did Grossman <i>personally</i> the events described, or is he relating what other people told him. A few discrepancies mean nothing in the big picture, and this reflects more on the people Grossman may or may not have interviewed, rather than on him, or his account as a whole.Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660486969581542489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-74691964148650528662013-01-11T17:47:59.848+00:002013-01-11T17:47:59.848+00:00How unlike you Roberto to decided to leave out thi...<br />How unlike you Roberto to decided to leave out this part of Grossman's account of the banya:<br /><br />“Treblinka near Warsaw. The extermination camp for Jews. There was a chamber with moving knives, it was in a basement, under a banya. The bodies were cut into pieces and then burned. There were mountains of ashes, twenty to twenty-five metres high. In one place Jews had been chased into a pond full of acid. Their screams were so terrible that local peasants abandoned their homes.”<br /><br />p.267.<br /><br />I'm being sarcastic of course, selectively quoting sources is what you do best.<br /><br />Lying by omission anyone!The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-56808447673305045182013-01-09T20:00:59.999+00:002013-01-09T20:00:59.999+00:00This is an earlier blog article on other parts of ...This is an earlier blog article on other parts of the book:<br /><br />http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/05/vasily-grossmans-letters-and-notebooks.htmlJonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-90161603152586553902012-11-21T13:11:33.364+00:002012-11-21T13:11:33.364+00:00From the Critique:
"Hirtreiter was arrested...From the Critique: <br /><br />"Hirtreiter was arrested in Frankfurt on July 2, 1946 and, whilst being interrogated about his role in the euthanasia project at Hadamar, revealed that he had worked at a death camp in ‘Malkinia’ in which Jews had been killed in gas chambers. His interviewer did not know that Hirtreiter was referring to Treblinka, and thus did not pursue the matter."<br /><br />Hirtreiter does not appear in M&G's Treblinka 'study'.Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.com