tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post6637562679228774813..comments2024-03-17T20:28:40.281+00:00Comments on Holocaust Controversies: Donald Trump: Channeling Ethnic and Religious HostilityNicholas Terryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comBlogger90125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-4604247961693291852016-05-10T03:09:43.451+01:002016-05-10T03:09:43.451+01:00@JKelly
This one is even better
https://www.you...@JKelly <br /><br />This one is even better <br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU_Jdts5rL0Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-52886351203366954192016-05-09T10:53:40.586+01:002016-05-09T10:53:40.586+01:00The costs would also be impossible to justify. Her...The costs would also be impossible to justify. Here's the stats:<br /><br />http://www.americanactionforum.org/research/the-personnel-and-infrastructure-needed-to-remove-all-undocumented-immigrants-in-two-years/?gclid=CMPb_YDczMwCFQNkhgodakMPKQJonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-24485786018607757172016-05-09T02:39:18.101+01:002016-05-09T02:39:18.101+01:00Interesting post, JH. I'd add only that the sh...Interesting post, JH. I'd add only that the sheer number of enforcement agents necessary to deport 11 million people would require a massive influx of human resources, which would almost assuredly result in people with inferior qualifications becoming involved -- which means abuses are almost guaranteed. Beyond that, the agricultural economy of California would probably collapse -- people are loath to admit that much of the agricultural work that undocumented and documented immigrants perform is skilled labor; you'd need to train the people you intend to send into lettuce fields, and given the time you need to do that, you'd lose food. To boot, agriculture is one of the largest industries in California (after tourism and entertainment -- maybe high tech).Andrew E. Mathishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13057529769573506419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-18037615148678641962016-05-09T01:42:48.369+01:002016-05-09T01:42:48.369+01:00That was funny, thanks for the video.
I am frighte...That was funny, thanks for the video.<br />I am frightened this man could possibly become president.J Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04893548775462142380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-61472148250957742782016-05-08T14:30:57.747+01:002016-05-08T14:30:57.747+01:00Everyone here needs to see this
https://www.youtu...Everyone here needs to see this <br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96Ivji-ph4AJeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-90835456242224476692016-05-08T09:41:15.425+01:002016-05-08T09:41:15.425+01:00bhigr has been spanked here, shown to be an incomp...bhigr has been spanked here, shown to be an incompetent ignoramus and a liar, so now he tries to come back and leave some butthurt comments. Won't happen. Sorry, at this point it's just spam.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-83743689043644088962016-05-08T02:36:10.774+01:002016-05-08T02:36:10.774+01:00bhigr gave us a preview of how Trump's Islamop...bhigr gave us a preview of how Trump's Islamophobe surrogates might behave:<br /><br />1. Start by saying "Islam hates us"<br /><br />2. Cherrypick one paragraph to represent the whole of Islam<br /><br />3. Deny that multiple conflicting interpretations of that text exist within Islamic theology<br /><br />4. Ignore the fact that all but a tiny fraction of Muslims do not apply that text in their lives<br /><br />5. Claim that this tiny fraction is the "most religious", as if this has the same meaning as most extreme, fanatical and doctrinaire<br /><br />As for our right to kick people off the thread, I would say it is not just our wont but also our obligation if a poster:<br /><br />a) just keeps repeating a claim we have refuted in an earlier reply<br /><br />b) does not support their arguments with evidence that moves the discussion forward<br /><br />c) whines about the rules of a blog that does not claim to give deniers unlimited free speech<br /><br />d) is simply fronting for denial while claiming to be "just asking questions" (JAQing off)Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-45620784860569015202016-05-07T23:07:07.325+01:002016-05-07T23:07:07.325+01:00bhigr's later comments consisted mostly of ins...bhigr's later comments consisted mostly of insults and were deleted.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-70848122117826057562016-05-07T23:00:39.662+01:002016-05-07T23:00:39.662+01:00Actually you've spent the entire time on this ...Actually you've spent the entire time on this thread by insisting that we only rely on the alleged literal reading of this verse without any extraneous interpretation (going so far as to deny, in your utter ignorance, that interpreters of the Quran exist!) because it is seen as the word of God and the direct source of the Islamic law, but now not only you insist on interpreting this verse in the light of some extraneous source that says something about a collective obligation, you deny that you've spent the entire thread arguing for the opposite, even though anybody can scroll up and see what you have been up to.<br /><br />You're obviously a pathological liar, so there's not much sense in discussing this with you further.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-41653231458468118452016-05-07T22:54:14.713+01:002016-05-07T22:54:14.713+01:00If you are so untruthful and hypocritical, then wh...If you are so untruthful and hypocritical, then why should I trust anything of what you state otherwise? bhigrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248267297755180307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-53860936699440759642016-05-07T22:51:19.681+01:002016-05-07T22:51:19.681+01:00I never insisted on relying on the Quran only, tha...I never insisted on relying on the Quran only, that one more of your lies, liar!bhigrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248267297755180307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-43866635818252548892016-05-07T22:51:10.551+01:002016-05-07T22:51:10.551+01:00"The interpreter is not self deluding, he is ..."The interpreter is not self deluding, he is lying. He knows that this verse was not disclosed during a battle. This story has been circulated by zakir Naik, who has been proven to lie time and time again."<br /><br />You don't know what happens in the interpreter's head, but the state of mind of the interpreter is irrelevant, as I have pointed out before. The only thing that matters is whether this or similar def is accepted by actual believers. The burden of proof is on you to show that it isn't.<br /><br />"That's because offensive jihad is a collective, not an individual obligation of the Sharia. You do not have the faintest idea of what you are talking about."<br /><br />LOL, just now you were insisting on relying on the Quran only, but suddenly you're bringing extraneous sources in. Now *that's* hypocrisy.<br /><br />Doesn't matter though - you've already been established as a liar ignorant about Islam.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-6752304429091816192016-05-07T22:46:20.393+01:002016-05-07T22:46:20.393+01:00Actually you omitted the full form of the simple d...Actually you omitted the full form of the simple definition: "the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do : behavior that does not agree with what someone claims to believe or feel"<br /><br />The first part must be interpreted in the context of the second one, otherwise a commander telling a solider to be silent is a hypocrite because he himself is not staying silent, which is of course nonsense. <br /><br />Plus here is the full def which you have also failed to cite:<br /><br />Full Definition of hypocrisy<br />plural hypocrisies<br />1<br />: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion<br />2<br />: an act or instance of hypocrisy<br /><br />And as I said, it's not what I believe or feel, so it's not hypocrisy.<br /><br />So you're the only proven liar here.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-4700379646282955012016-05-07T22:45:52.424+01:002016-05-07T22:45:52.424+01:00" I'd say it is given how most Muslims ar..." I'd say it is given how most Muslims are not waging war on unbelievers just for the heck of it. (Some do, but nobody denied that.) "<br /><br />That's because offensive jihad is a collective, not an individual obligation of the Sharia. You do not have the faintest idea of what you are talking about.bhigrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248267297755180307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-24367312850612352272016-05-07T22:42:08.868+01:002016-05-07T22:42:08.868+01:00The interpreter is not self deluding, he is lying....The interpreter is not self deluding, he is lying. He knows that this verse was not disclosed during a battle. This story has been circulated by zakir Naik, who has been proven to lie time and time again.bhigrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248267297755180307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-9834013656785048022016-05-07T22:39:54.232+01:002016-05-07T22:39:54.232+01:00""So you make the rules that you chose n...""So you make the rules that you chose not to adhere to yourselves. That's the definition of hypocrisy"<br /><br />Nope."<br /><br />Wonderful. You insult incessantly but chose to ban anyone who insults you. Then you lie by stating that you are not a hypocrite.<br /><br />Here is merriam-webster definition of hypocrisy:<br /><br />The behaviour of people who do things that they tell other people not to do. bhigrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248267297755180307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-59410899997541946912016-05-07T22:34:55.774+01:002016-05-07T22:34:55.774+01:00"So you make the rules that you chose not to ..."So you make the rules that you chose not to adhere to yourselves. That's the definition of hypocrisy"<br /><br />Nope.<br /><br />"the quality of acting in a way that goes against claimed beliefs or feelings"<br /><br />I don't claim that flinging insults is bad and nobody should do it. If I said that and then would fling insults, I would be a hypocrite. But I don't think insults are inherently bad. You just don't get to insult us on our territory, while we are free to do so. It's not because it's "good" or "bad", it's just how it is. Deal with it.<br /><br />As another example, as a co-owner of the blog I can delete your comments. Whereas you can't delete mine. Is that hypocritical? Not at all. Just a fact of life.<br /><br />"Sure I proved that the interpreter is lying. He lies about the historical context of the verse. Last but not least, his interpretation amounts to the command of war crimes. Not very peaceful."<br /><br />The interpreter may be self-deluding, as religious interpreters are wont to be, but we're talking about whether or not this or similar interpretation is accepted by most Muslims. I'd say it is given how most Muslims are not waging war on unbelievers just for the heck of it. (Some do, but nobody denied that.) <br /><br />As for your comments about whether it's peaceful or not, you seem to be in the bargaining stage. A while ago you thought the verse was about simple unconditional killing of any unbelievers.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-11505826982406496942016-05-07T22:32:40.203+01:002016-05-07T22:32:40.203+01:00"And where is the promised demonstration? To ...<br />"And where is the promised demonstration? To repeat, the interpretation doesn't have to be logical or factual - most religious interpretations aren't."<br /><br />Sorry, lying about a verse and it's context is not an interpretation, it's a lie.bhigrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248267297755180307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-58378581870071227512016-05-07T22:22:21.518+01:002016-05-07T22:22:21.518+01:00Finally, let's see what the most popular and m...Finally, let's see what the most popular and mainstream tafsir says about this verse, Ibn Kathir:<br /><br />. These Ayat allowed fighting people unless, and until, they embrace Islam and implement its rulings and obligations. Allah mentioned the most important aspects of Islam here, including what is less important. bhigrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248267297755180307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-5339434185870651682016-05-07T22:18:37.521+01:002016-05-07T22:18:37.521+01:00Sure I proved that the interpreter is lying. He li...Sure I proved that the interpreter is lying. He lies about the historical context of the verse. Last but not least, his interpretation amounts to the command of war crimes. Not very peaceful.bhigrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248267297755180307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-58120011147323185262016-05-07T22:16:42.210+01:002016-05-07T22:16:42.210+01:00So you make the rules that you chose not to adhere...So you make the rules that you chose not to adhere to yourselves. That's the definition of hypocrisy<br /><br />http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisybhigrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248267297755180307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-57386077320826009752016-05-07T22:08:33.180+01:002016-05-07T22:08:33.180+01:00"I can show that it is not sincere. You can&#..."I can show that it is not sincere. You can't wait for months until you engage in a battle. If you do that, your dead. Therefore, the verse was not revealed during a battle. It's that simple."<br /><br />And where is the promised demonstration? To repeat, the interpretation doesn't have to be logical or factual - most religious interpretations aren't. Read a religious book sometime. It doesn't mean that the believers don't sincerely accept them. It's a fact of life that they do. So you will have to show that most Muslims don't accept this (or analogous) interpretation.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-30424454635547054712016-05-07T22:05:37.176+01:002016-05-07T22:05:37.176+01:00"I repeated your insults. For some reason you..."I repeated your insults. For some reason you do not stick to any rules that you ask others to follow."<br /><br />Um, yes, because it's my (and my friends') blog and we get to make the rules, and you don't get to question them. It's that simple.<br /><br />"This is the definition of hypocrisy."<br /><br />Not at all. You're a guest here, not we. Different rules apply simply by def. Don't like it? Post elsewhere. Whining won't help.<br /><br />"I don't care what you say about Jews because it is off topic."<br /><br />You only call it offtopic because it blows your braindead method of interpeting the Quran for Muslims out of water. By your logic religious Jews should be stoning gays right now. Since they don't, your logic doesn't work, so you're trying out these "offtopic" red herrings (while happily engaging in truly offtopic stuff yourself).<br /><br />"The most religious Muslims kill mushrikun nowadays, following sura 9, Vers 5."<br /><br />Maybe "most religious" by your definition, but you've already shown that you don't know first thing about Islam and that you're an imbecilic liar, so your definition doesn't matter all that much.<br /><br />"I know what I am talking about, yes. Unfortunately you don't."<br /><br />You've demonstrated the opposite time and again. :DSergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-52875646941547471022016-05-07T22:02:26.591+01:002016-05-07T22:02:26.591+01:00I can show that it is not sincere. You can't w...I can show that it is not sincere. You can't wait for months until you engage in a battle. If you do that, your dead. Therefore, the verse was not revealed during a battle. It's that simple.<br /><br />When the sacred months have passed, then kill the disbelievers wherever you find them...<br /><br />But you chose to believe blindly this bullshit...bhigrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248267297755180307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-28211632691242988412016-05-07T21:58:31.789+01:002016-05-07T21:58:31.789+01:00I know what I am talking about, yes. Unfortunately...I know what I am talking about, yes. Unfortunately you don't.bhigrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14248267297755180307noreply@blogger.com