tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post4814364234039085587..comments2024-03-17T20:28:40.281+00:00Comments on Holocaust Controversies: Contemporary German Documents on Homicidal Gas VansNicholas Terryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-80703188967081546682015-11-28T16:44:56.845+00:002015-11-28T16:44:56.845+00:00-Well done for so expertly swerving the actual iss...-Well done for so expertly swerving the actual issue JH, i.e. your borrowed citation that doesn't even support your contention-<br /><br />The black piece of shit has clearly lost his mind. He derailed this article by <b> Hans </b> by bringing up something Dr. Harisson wrote, and implying that, in the Moron's own words:<br /><br />-No gas van mentioned-<br /><br />Just so it's clear, the piece of shit derailed the article by bringing up something by a different author. So, he's been called out on it, and now he's trying to run away from his own derail. The piece of shit is clearly in denial about his own failure. Pathetic. <br />Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660486969581542489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-39100211277343213532015-11-28T06:11:54.310+00:002015-11-28T06:11:54.310+00:00JH Lange's unit had previously killed mental p...JH <i>Lange's unit had previously killed mental patients at Soldau, after being loaned out by HSSPF Koppe<br /><br />http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/imagedir/HLSL_NMT01/HLSL_NUR_02350001.jpg<br /><br />http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/12/soldau.html<br /><br />Mattogno and our Rabbit friend simply lie about how documents are connected in the Critique, as Soldau was in the previous paragraph to the one Rabbit whines about:<br /><br />http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/12/belzec-sobibor-treblinka-holocaust_57.html<br /><br />No honest reader could believe the unit in the Novgorod case was not killing mental patients given the preceding paragraph about Soldau.</i><br /><br /><br />Well done for so expertly swerving the actual issue JH, i.e. your borrowed citation that doesn't even support your contention.<br /><br />Let's look at the victim of your plagiarism: Breitman and his Official Secrets:<br /><br /><i>An extraordinary act of army-SS cooperation and inhumanity came after German troops reached the city of Novgorod near Lake Ilmen, about one hundred kilometers southeast of Leningrad. In a hospital there, most of the (Russian) patients were suffering from dysentery. The German troops needed the building as quarters, but what could they do with the patients? A senior physician with the Army High Command by the name of Freyberg knew that a special unit under the command of Herbert Lange (based in Posen) had disposed of unwanted patients elsewhere with a mobile gassing van. Freyberg put in a request that Lange, five subordinates, and the gas van be sent from Posen on a military transport plane to Novgorod. Higher SS and Police Leader Wilhelm Koppe in Posen relayed this request to Himmler himself. The Reich Fuehrer SS quickly gave his permission, and Lange was sent off immediately. The British read the whole exchange (which comes to light here for the first time).[46] The army did not have to involve itself in the messy work of murdering hundreds of patients.<br /><br />46. German Police Decodes, 3. Oct. 1941, items 22 and 23; 4 Oct. 1941, item 20; both PRO HW 16/32<br />(p.99 & 276)</i><br /><br /><br />You sure did made a dog's dinner of describing this incident JH! And you opted—after being challenged by me—not to put your dumb followers straight about your plagiarised source stating that there are three separate decodes which relate to this matter, instead you blather on about unrelated letters written a year earlier!<br /><br />JH: <i>Mattogno and our Rabbit friend simply lie about how documents are connected in the Critique,</i><br /><br />On the contrary, it is yourself who's telling porkies by omission about genuinely connected documents. No doubt because you're understandably reluctant to admit your plagiarism, and secondly because you're also unable to to quote the two decodes of October 3rd.<br /><br />Incidentally, where did you pull the figure of "100" Russians suffering from dysentery from, did you misread Breitman's "hundreds"?The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-33804257272591600672015-11-09T01:58:47.734+00:002015-11-09T01:58:47.734+00:00"Indeed, but that's why they are deniers...."Indeed, but that's why they are deniers. Connecting the dots and seeing the big picture are alien concepts to them. They will focus on any minutiae that saves them having to face the whole."<br /><br />This goes a bit further than that IMO. Our subject lacks basic reading comprehension and the ability to infer what is going on. <br />Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-41609239217914597982015-11-09T01:56:49.490+00:002015-11-09T01:56:49.490+00:00"That show nothing more that your biases.&quo..."That show nothing more that your biases."<br />A logical reading of the decode actually.<br /><br /><br />"LOL I saw your virtual fapping over SM's BS "the narrator fails to mention that the original blueprint shown in the video dated from March 1942". What he didn't tell you, and you lack the nous to have noticed for yourself, each and every time that blueprint was shown on screen, the date it was drawn ("March 31, 1942") was clearly visible."<br /><br />Something that you failed to articulate in your crappy, refuted vid. You talk like a fucking Guy Ritchie character btw. <br /><br />"And you don't "always cross check" documents I cite. You can't, you've never been near the TNA."<br /><br />As if you are the only one who has ever seen these docs lol. <br /><br />"Lies simply refuted. "PRO, HW 16/32, 4.10.41" is JH's cited source for his claim.."<br /><br />Are you alright? I was referring to Hans's article, you know, the one we are commenting on?<br /><br /> <br />"Claim to fame! LOL You seriously overstate the reach of this blog. On which, incidentally, you've never contributed anything other than off topic rambling and ad hominem attacks."<br /><br />You have basically described yourself in a nutshell. Projecting your insecurities once again. <br /><br />"*Laughing too much at your projection to be able to response*"<br /><br />Good Lord you are half literate. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-40075082566065886162015-11-09T01:49:37.133+00:002015-11-09T01:49:37.133+00:00does the daft rabbit propose that the unit was sen...does the daft rabbit propose that the unit was sent to Novgorod for purposes of polishing doorknobs? serving icecream? singing ELO covers?Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-63030146256344366592015-11-08T20:57:45.286+00:002015-11-08T20:57:45.286+00:00-Laughing too much at your projection to be able t...-Laughing too much at your projection to be able to <b>response</b>-<br /><br />Laughing too much at an alleged Native English speaker not able to English (That's intentional, JFYI) or read English, properly.<br /><br /> Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660486969581542489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-52577947861986113742015-11-08T20:55:52.761+00:002015-11-08T20:55:52.761+00:00- Jeff The doc you mentioned was not included in t...- Jeff The doc you mentioned was not included in <b>the article</b>(by HANS). You had nothing on those docs, and in transparent desperation you reached for a total non sequitur. It's just white noise at this point.<br /><br />Lies simply refuted. "PRO, HW 16/32, 4.10.41" is <b>JH's</b> cited source for his claim..-<br /><br />The butthurt little piece of shit is clearly just foaming at the mouth. This current article is by <b>Hans</b> and is a compilation of known documents relating to Gas Vans. This is not about, or even written by <b>Dr. Harrison</b> or even remotely relating to HC's critique. Jeff is right. The Black Piece of shit is just trolling, and has absolutely nothing to say. He never did. <br /><br />It's rather obvious, but still worth pointing out.Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660486969581542489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-49180172641879464592015-11-08T18:19:42.998+00:002015-11-08T18:19:42.998+00:00Indeed, but that's why they are deniers. Conne...Indeed, but that's why they are deniers. Connecting the dots and seeing the big picture are alien concepts to them. They will focus on any minutiae that saves them having to face the whole.Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-64776742798764946992015-11-08T17:23:30.585+00:002015-11-08T17:23:30.585+00:00Unfortunately Dr. Harrison, context is a concept t...Unfortunately Dr. Harrison, context is a concept that this piece of trash clearly does not grasp. Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-75185177696076799132015-11-08T10:34:36.322+00:002015-11-08T10:34:36.322+00:00Lange's unit had previously killed mental pati...Lange's unit had previously killed mental patients at Soldau, after being loaned out by HSSPF Koppe<br /><br />http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/imagedir/HLSL_NMT01/HLSL_NUR_02350001.jpg<br /><br />http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/12/soldau.html<br /><br />Mattogno and our Rabbit friend simply lie about how documents are connected in the Critique, as Soldau was in the previous paragraph to the one Rabbit whines about:<br /><br />http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/12/belzec-sobibor-treblinka-holocaust_57.html<br /><br />No honest reader could believe the unit in the Novgorod case was not killing mental patients given the preceding paragraph about Soldau.Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-35876656414973417912015-11-06T18:25:36.836+00:002015-11-06T18:25:36.836+00:00Nathan: He's talking about this Lange, you idi...Nathan: <i>He's talking about this Lange, you idiot.</i><br /><br />JH is, obviously, but HH certainly didn't mention it in the decode plagiarised and completely misrepresented by JH, you idiot.<br /><br /><br />Jeff <i>I will clarify. In reading the quote you provided, I cannot help but think that it does not refute anything.</i><br /><br />That show nothing more that your biases. <br /><br />Jeff <i>You are known for quoting out of context and dishonestly so. I frankly don't trust a fucking word you say and I always cross check. You do not have an especially good reputation for documentary honesty.</i><br /><br />LOL I saw your virtual fapping over SM's BS "the narrator fails to mention that the original blueprint shown in the video dated from March 1942". What he didn't tell you, and you lack the nous to have noticed for yourself, each and every time that blueprint was shown on screen, the date it was drawn ("March 31, 1942") was clearly visible. <br /><br />And you don't "always cross check" documents I cite. You can't, you've never been near the TNA.<br /><br />Jeff <i>The doc you mentioned was not included in the article. You had nothing on those docs, and in transparent desperation you reached for a total non sequitur. It's just white noise at this point.</i><br /><br />Lies simply refuted. "PRO, HW 16/32, 4.10.41" is JH's cited source for his claim..<br /><br />Jeff <i>This coming from someone who's sole claim to fame is acting as a comment section punching bag here at HC. In an article about several gas van docs you bring up a decode that was not included. That's the definition of a non-sequitur. </i><br /><br />Claim to fame! LOL You seriously overstate the reach of this blog. On which, incidentally, you've never contributed anything other than off topic rambling and ad hominem attacks.<br /><br />Jeff <i>You're projecting your middle aged insecurities onto me and it's not working. Since when have I ever made as much a fool of myself as you did in the comments section of the Sonderkommando article? You are not very good at this and it shows. You would not last ten seconds at SSF without your little pals to help you out. Do yourself a favor and leave this to the pros.</i><br /><br />*Laughing too much at your projection to be able to response*The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-85172942828141433642015-11-06T05:29:09.331+00:002015-11-06T05:29:09.331+00:00<<>>
I will clarify. In reading the qu...<<>><br />I will clarify. In reading the quote you provided, I cannot help but think that it does not refute anything. <br /><br /><<>><br />You are known for quoting out of context and dishonestly so. I frankly don't trust a fucking word you say and I always cross check. You do not have an especially good reputation for documentary honesty. <br /><br /><br /><<>> <br />The doc you mentioned was not included in the article. You had nothing on those docs, and in transparent desperation you reached for a total non sequitur. It's just white noise at this point. <br /><br /><><br />This coming from someone who's sole claim to fame is acting as a comment section punching bag here at HC. In an article about several gas van docs you bring up a decode that was not included. That's the definition of a non-sequitur. You're projecting your middle aged insecurities onto me and it's not working. Since when have I ever made as much a fool of myself as you did in the comments section of the Sonderkommando article? You are not very good at this and it shows. You would not last ten seconds at SSF without your little pals to help you out. Do yourself a favor and leave this to the pros. <br />Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-27548152966633674492015-11-06T04:56:44.795+00:002015-11-06T04:56:44.795+00:00I have no access to the HC forum and even if I did...I have no access to the HC forum and even if I did I would prefer not to air this in public yet as it is very speculative. I will polish it up and send the email.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-10549485466124919882015-11-06T03:43:05.348+00:002015-11-06T03:43:05.348+00:00- Harrison claimed in the Manifesto:“In October 19...- Harrison claimed in the Manifesto:“In October 1941, Koppe forwarded a request to Himmler from Army High Command that <b>Lange</b>, five subordinates and the gas van be sent to Novgorod to kill 100 Russians suffering from dysentery because the army needed the hospital for its own quarters.[152]152. PRO, HW 16/32, 4.10.41” (p.122)This was, of course, just another bungled plagiarism from JH, who had never even set sight on file HW 16/32.The decode in question actually says:To HSSPF POSEN, Gruppenführer GOPPE [sic, should be Koppe]The Sonderkommando is to be dispatched immediately. The request is to be granted.<br /><br />No Gas Van Mentioned-<br /><br />He's talking about this Lange, you idiot.<br />And, yes. His SK did have gas vans. They were used to kill Poles infected with tuberculosis and "unable to return to work.<br /><br />http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/07/documents-about-murderous-purpose-of.html?m=1<br /><br />http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/imagedir/HLSL_NMT01/HLSL_NUR_00130001.jpg<br /><br />-admitted to the detachment <b>(Kommando)Lange</b> for special treatment (Sonderbehandlung).-Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660486969581542489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-14099810148345615162015-11-05T19:05:04.995+00:002015-11-05T19:05:04.995+00:00Hi Jeff, it's been quite a long time since I l...Hi Jeff, it's been quite a long time since I last visited SSF, I forgot my password and my username also doesn't seem to be correct. But you can send me an e-mail to cortagravatas@yahoo.com, or open a thread on the HC forum if you have access there.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-50107540863705018192015-11-05T03:55:08.709+00:002015-11-05T03:55:08.709+00:00Hey Roberto, I have been doing a lot of thinking l...Hey Roberto, I have been doing a lot of thinking lately, and I have made a few observations on your area of expertise. SM advised me to run it by you. If you ever get a minute (and recall that I am far from impatient), check your old SSF inbox. Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-33533754000830044532015-11-04T13:59:02.570+00:002015-11-04T13:59:02.570+00:00Jeff: In reading the snippet you provided, one cou...Jeff: <i>In reading the snippet you provided, one could certainly conclude that the gas van would not have been mentioned in the original doc.</i><br /><br />Have you made a mistake there? Did you mean to include "not"? What do you mean by "the original doc", Koppe's request?<br /><br />Incidentally, I quoted a translation of the entire decoded message. It isn't a "snippet". Your gambit fails.<br /><br /><i>"The sonderkommando consisted of the men and van that Harrison mentioned."</i> - You have no evidence to support this claim. Therefore you have failed.<br /><br /><i>not to mention that it had no bearing on the post at hand.</i><br /><br />It's about gas vans and HC, therefore it's entirely relevant. Poor Jeff's clearly still upset that I once point out on rodoh that his comments on HC blog are invariably off-topic, suggesting he never actually reads the original posts. But expect little more from an individual who makes that chooch fellow from rodoh look like an accomplished anti-revisionist.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-53551925673726264692015-11-04T12:07:01.723+00:002015-11-04T12:07:01.723+00:00Roberto please se my latest comment here: https://...Roberto please se my latest comment here: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=24597325&postID=5572228247084293391&bpli=1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-21428429989266126042015-11-03T20:10:11.129+00:002015-11-03T20:10:11.129+00:00not to mention that it had no bearing on the post ...not to mention that it had no bearing on the post at handJeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-3928879759553423082015-11-03T11:38:24.287+00:002015-11-03T11:38:24.287+00:00Unlike the rabbit, I have no tendency to project. ...Unlike the rabbit, I have no tendency to project. I'm just reading the poor old animal's obvious frustration between the lines of its uncalled-for (and unsurprisingly dim-witted) comment.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-53942266852459366672015-11-02T18:10:05.856+00:002015-11-02T18:10:05.856+00:00The rabbit is either mistaken or obtuse.
"T...The rabbit is either mistaken or obtuse. <br /><br />"To HSSPF POSEN, Gruppenführer KOPPE <br />The Sonderkommando is to be dispatched immediately. The request is to<br />be granted.<br />Signed, H. HIMMLER." <br /><br />The sonderkommando consisted of the men and van that Harrison mentioned. This is Himmler granting the request mentioned by Harrison. In reading the snippet you provided, one could certainly conclude that the gas van would not have been mentioned in the original doc. <br /><br /><br />Another fail.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-87757591732755295022015-11-02T14:41:10.578+00:002015-11-02T14:41:10.578+00:00Roberto Muehlenkamp said...
Poor unhappy rabbit, h...<i>Roberto Muehlenkamp said...<br />Poor unhappy rabbit, he must be having another of his bad days ...</i><br /><br />https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem<br /><br />Please don't project your Monday blues onto me, thanks, Bobby.The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-11874051030711354822015-11-02T09:19:56.491+00:002015-11-02T09:19:56.491+00:00Poor unhappy rabbit, he must be having another of ...Poor unhappy rabbit, he must be having another of his bad days ... Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-20888941594821244732015-11-01T14:44:03.428+00:002015-11-01T14:44:03.428+00:00Here's one for the list "Abandoned HC blo...Here's one for the list "Abandoned HC blogger claims about documents mentioning Homicidal Gas Vans":<br /><br />Harrison claimed in the Manifesto:<br /><br /><i>“In October 1941, Koppe forwarded a request to Himmler from Army High Command that Lange, five subordinates and the gas van be sent to Novgorod to kill 100 Russians suffering from dysentery because the army needed the hospital for its own quarters.[152]<br /><br />152. PRO, HW 16/32, 4.10.41”</i> (p.122)<br /><br />This was, of course, just another bungled plagiarism from JH, who had never even set sight on file HW 16/32.<br /><br />The decode in question actually says:<br /><br /><i>To HSSPF POSEN, Gruppenführer GOPPE [sic, should be Koppe]<br />The Sonderkommando is to be dispatched immediately. The request is to<br />be granted.<br />Signed, H. HIMMLER.</i> <br /><br /><br />No gas van mentioned.<br /><br />p.317f: http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/28-tecoar-long.pdf<br /><br /><br />The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-60520884056223433272015-11-01T12:39:15.002+00:002015-11-01T12:39:15.002+00:00The documents are so damning that "Revisionis...The documents are so damning that "Revisionist" sad sacks are reduced to squealing "forgery". Hans is preparing a blog about their related arguments.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.com