tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post4673290892709918229..comments2024-03-17T20:28:40.281+00:00Comments on Holocaust Controversies: Sketches of German Homicidal Gas VansNicholas Terryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comBlogger143125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-61703722681716796102016-12-25T19:11:46.548+00:002016-12-25T19:11:46.548+00:00Back to the topic at hand (the illustrations of Ga...Back to the topic at hand (the illustrations of Gas vans)<br /><br />These can also serve as an answer to Robert Faurisson's BS "Draw me a gas chamber" challenge. Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660486969581542489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-49357695958402104732016-12-20T16:04:07.559+00:002016-12-20T16:04:07.559+00:00Alright Nicholas.
See you guys on Skeptics Societ...Alright Nicholas.<br /><br />See you guys on Skeptics Society Forum :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-8043557458167467972016-12-20T00:22:42.613+00:002016-12-20T00:22:42.613+00:00Reactionary,
the discussion had come to a natural...Reactionary,<br /><br />the discussion had come to a natural pause, and you were invited by Gabi to talk about the topics elsewhere. We're also past the window for unmoderated comments on what has become a colossally derailed thread - it's tempting simply to delete the entire thread drift, as it is a distraction from Hans' very focused work. Sergey didn't add further comments in the past few days so he's unlikely to add more, therefore I don't need to tell him anything. Nicholas Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-19335425905739221422016-12-19T22:05:04.826+00:002016-12-19T22:05:04.826+00:00Alright no problem Nicholas, I understand.
You ma...Alright no problem Nicholas, I understand.<br /><br />You may want to point out that for Sergey Romanov also.<br /><br />Happy Hanukkah :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-83922995719025469902016-12-19T10:55:46.957+00:002016-12-19T10:55:46.957+00:00Reactionary,
You need to take your questions abou...Reactionary,<br /><br />You need to take your questions about the Protocols, ritual murder and Jews/immigration elsewhere. This is a blog about the history of the Holocaust, occasionally we might visit some of these themes in standalone posts but we're not going to put up with general discussions about Jews and Judaism in our comments threads below posts about the Holocaust. Gabi has offered you a chance to discuss these issues elsewhere and they would be better suited to a forum like Skeptics Society Forum than the arse-end of a blog comments thread. Don't bother reposting as further non-Holocaust discussion will be deleted.Nicholas Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-23879200383187309582016-12-14T21:08:13.012+00:002016-12-14T21:08:13.012+00:00Reactionary, I'm gonna END this debate (I real...Reactionary, I'm gonna END this debate (I really don't know how Sergey is still letting this debate go on without deleting anything) by linking you to this site. It might help you with questions you have about the Talmud or other Jewish traditions, which no offense but you don't seem to be all that knowledgefull about. It's a site for both Jews and non-Jews.<br />http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/78181/can-sefardim-eat-meat-in-the-homes-of-ashkenazim<br />(just a random question, I know it doesn't have anything to do with what you said).<br />Please don't reply to this comment. Not cause I don't want to debate but because I don't wanna do it on someone elses turf. I gave you a way to contact me personally, do it if you wish to continue.<br />Have a nice day over there in Sweden. Send Mikael Akerfeldt my regards.Gabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07712750358743399545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-67664070767999713152016-12-14T20:36:26.718+00:002016-12-14T20:36:26.718+00:00"But to suck the blood of children's peni..."But to suck the blood of children's penises, as they should be circumcised seems pretty common?"<br />It's not called "consumption" if you spit it, and not actually swallow it. Which ןד what rabbis usually do. Today they don't even use their own mouths for this, but rather use a special tool in order to pervent infections. Those herpes cases mostly happen in ultra-orthodox circles where modern technology is rejected. Gabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07712750358743399545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-88865231689954966612016-12-14T20:21:51.549+00:002016-12-14T20:21:51.549+00:00> Authority and authority, she is one jew with ...> Authority and authority, she is one jew with some influence, with clerly jewish interest in mind, telling us that she and others jews "Jews are going to be at the center of that" (Making Europe multicultural.) and "Jews will be resented because of our leading role".<br /><br />So some dumb person who happens to be Jewish blurts out a dumb thing and an antisemite latches on her words. Pretty classic but doesn't really answer the question: who made her an authority on anything?<br /><br />> It explains precisely this that darvinism would be a jewish conspiracy etc, was something that was not in original dokuments, but was put there in retrospect<br /><br />LOL (because idiotic claims not supported by evidence only deserve to be laughed at)<br /><br />> But as I understand it, there are real authentic documents, according to Russian scientists that should be genuine. <br /><br />Once again: the Protocols are a plagiarism. That's an objective fact. You can take the two texts and compare them. That alone shows the Protocols to be fake. Stuff about Darwinism is an icing on the cake. And yes, there is zero evidence that it was added afterwards.<br /><br />> Listen to this interview: <br /><br />I don't need to listen to "interviews", I know that topic pretty well and I know which main facts are true and which are not. But in any case audio "interviews" are not a scholarly source and nobody is going to waste their time on audio clips, which cannot be quickly skimmed through without wasting a lot of time (which is one of the many reasons why "interviews" are not a scholarly source). If you have anything *written*, I'll take a look just for the fun's sake. Not that I expect anything enlightening.<br /><br />> Well, if there is evidence of it? I have not studied the issue at all, so I can neither confirm or deny it. Can you?<br /><br />I didn't expect any different.<br /><br />Here's the truth (and I also take your subsequent comments into account): you're a classic antisemite, I've met your kind many times. If you're so "low" that you accept the obvious fake like the Protocols at face value and refuse to reject the lurid blood libel accusations, there's simply nothing I could say that would get through to you. You're a lost case. It's that simple.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-38771782454500485552016-12-14T19:56:51.365+00:002016-12-14T19:56:51.365+00:00" The ritual's argued purpose is to drain..." The ritual's argued purpose is to drain the blood of a non-Jewish person (preferrably a young Christian boy) in order to make three cornered Purim pastries or matzo.[1]<br />While these may have been false charges, several books have argued the reality of Jewish ritual murder (possibly by religious extremist or occult-oriented individuals)."<br /><br /><br />http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ritual_murder<br /><br />Yes maybe jewish "religious extremist or occult-oriented individuals" did that. <br /><br />I still dont belive this was or is something jews in general practice.<br /><br />But again, all usually have a grain of truth. Perhaps it was this way the myth started. That there was some Jewish sects that dealt with such for real, and had their sentences.<br /><br />And then later it became something which stated that all Jews and all the jew religion stood for, and the rumors was spreading, and were used by religious rivals, etc.<br /><br /><br /><br />And what is this?: "Jews on Killing Goyim Children & Families": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA6OVjj5kLE<br /><br /><br />I also found this: "Human Sacrifice Among Cults [FULL]": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaAoYOXFKec<br /><br /><br />"Human Sacrifice among the Fanatical Hasidic Jews and Other Cults from Ancient Times to the Present."<br /><br /><br />"any form of blood consumtion is not allowed in Jewish religion"<br /><br /><br />But to suck the blood of children's penises, as they should be circumcised seems pretty common?<br /><br /><br />"Local rabbi accused of infecting babies with herpes": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLcXvgv4FYI<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-42007075018282831422016-12-14T19:55:38.657+00:002016-12-14T19:55:38.657+00:00Gabi. Let us say then hypothetical and theoretical...<br /><br />Gabi. Let us say then hypothetical and theoretical. If some Jews who might have participated in out ritual murder of non-Jews. If they do not drink blood, and they killed these human with kosher metods. Would it be against Judaism's teachings?<br /><br /><br />I found this book: "Blood ritual: An investigative report examining a certain series of cultic murder cases" by Philip De Vier: <br /><br />https://www.amazon.com/Blood-ritual-investigative-examining-certain/dp/0937944157/ref=pd_sim_14_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0937944157&pd_rd_r=E2KAMF7HVM10HGRG5P99&pd_rd_w=06Ckm&pd_rd_wg=5gzZh&psc=1&refRID=E2KAMF7HVM10HGRG5P99<br /><br /><br />"de Vier On April 1, 1899, the body of 19-year-old Agnes Hurza, a Christian young woman, was found in a woods near Polna, Bohemia, then a part of Austria-Hungary. Her throat had been slashed so badly that she was nearly decapitated. Her wounds revealed that she had been held upside down until her body had been emptied of blood. As this blood was not found at the crime scene, it must have been collected and carried away. For most of history, belief in Jewish ritual murder was acceptable and widely accepted. Naturally, the Jews aren't the only group who have practiced (and might still practice) ritual murder. Historically, it is fairly common: the Aztecs, numerous African tribes, and the ancient Carthagians come to mind. But since WW2, with the rise of Jewish ownership of the mass media, has come the politically-correct "Doctrine of the Never-Guilty Jews." Every accusation of Jewish ritual murder, no matter how well proved it might have been in its time, has become a "blood libel" in today's media, a phrase that explicitly frames each case as a malicious falsehood, without an examination of the facts. Probably, not every accusation is true. But it is also unlikely that all of them are false. Philip de Vier has made a thorough survey of the known evidence in about 200 cases of ritual murder in ancient, medieval, renaissance and modern times. Adopting the approach of a detective investigating a murder, de Vier invites his readers to sift the relevant facts from history and to see that they point toward the existence of a transgenerational ritual murder cult within the larger body of Judaic tradition. The evidence is persuasive, but, says de Vier, the final verdict is ours to make. "<br /><br /><br /><br />I found a video about a jewish video talking about it, "Jewish Woman Talks About Ritual Killings": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b98ch_Pyi-Y<br /><br />A commnets from there: <br /><br />"In the Jewish most holy book the Talmud we read<br />THOSE WHO KILL CHRISTIANS SHALL HAVE A HIGH PLACE IN HEAVEN<br /><br />In Zohar (I,38b, and 39a) it says:<br /><br />"In the palaces of the fourth heaven are those who lamented over Sion and Jerusalem, and all those who destroyed idolatrous nations ... and those who killed off people who worship idols are clothed in purple garments so that they may be recognized and honored."<br /><br />VIII. JEWS MUST NEVER CEASE TO EXTERMINATE THE GOIM; THEY MUST NEVER LEAVE THEM IN PEACE AND NEVER SUBMIT TO THEM"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-22069538581285704642016-12-14T17:47:37.954+00:002016-12-14T17:47:37.954+00:00Just sayin', the "blood of gentile childr...Just sayin', the "blood of gentile children" is a lie simply due to the reason the performing such an act is forbidden in Judaism, for 2 reasons:<br />1) any form of blood consumtion is not allowed in Jewish religion. Eating bloody-stakes, for example, is forbidden.<br />2) even if drinking blood was allowed, Jews still won't be able to drink human blood, as HUMANS ARE NOT KOSHER.<br /><br />If there ever was a case of Jews eating gentile children, those weren't exactly orthodox Jews, to say the least.Gabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07712750358743399545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-87728845867204098992016-12-14T16:32:54.005+00:002016-12-14T16:32:54.005+00:00Ok Gabi, thanks.
Sergey:
"Why? Who made her...Ok Gabi, thanks.<br /><br />Sergey:<br /><br />"Why? Who made her an authority on anything?"<br /><br /><br />Authority and authority, she is one jew with some influence, with clerly jewish interest in mind, telling us that she and others jews "Jews are going to be at the center of that" (Making Europe multicultural.) and "Jews will be resented because of our leading role".<br /><br />I belive her words.<br /><br />Are you calling her a liar? Proofs of her lies?<br /><br />You did not even listen to the interview regarding the protocols I linked to?<br /><br />It explains precisely this that darvinism would be a jewish conspiracy etc, was something that was not in original dokuments, but was put there in retrospect and so on, why the most widespread version of the Protocols of Zion is fake. But as I understand it, there are real authentic documents, according to Russian scientists that should be genuine. Less conspiratorial as I can understand, but still talking about Jewish plans, etc.<br /><br />It is this, I wonder if you have read about?<br /><br />Listen to this interview: <br /><br />Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeWWVG6Xi50<br /><br />Or<br /><br />Here: http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/circus-maximus-dr-karl-radl-protocols-3-9-16/<br /><br />There was some news for me anyway regarding the protocols. Would be interesting also to know what you think about the thingS Dr. Radl is talking about. Therefore, I took up the subject.<br /><br /><br /><br />" Let me guess the next issue you will sincerely want our input on: whether throughout history Jews have been killing gentile babies and drawing their blood."<br /><br />Well, if there is evidence of it? I have not studied the issue at all, so I can neither confirm or deny it. Can you?<br /><br />Spontaneously, however, that Jews in general would have been dedicated to kidnap other peoples children and drinking their blood, etc., sounds to me like something made up, in order to defame the Jews as a people, as rumors spread and gained its own life.<br /><br />But what do I know, some Jewish sects peddling such at some point in history, and that there is a grain of truth in the claim, maybe. What do I know.<br /><br />There've been all sorts of religious sects, satanits, cannibals and a lot of nonsense among the many peoples and cultures in this planet, so I do not see it as unlikely that it also would have been similar among some Jews, but I do not think there is a general trait among Jews or something that is in their faith or culture no. <br /><br /><br />I guess it would be a classic anti-Semitic lie. The protocols also appears suspicious, has I understand, both Kevin Macdonald and Mark Weber has called the protocol documents fake. But, with this information from Dr. Radl, I wonder if there might be a basis of SOME truth in it, after all?<br /><br />I'm not looking to provoke I am genuinely interested.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-16368393664496612112016-12-14T10:10:13.210+00:002016-12-14T10:10:13.210+00:00> Let me quote Spectre again:
Why? Who made h...> Let me quote Spectre again:<br /><br /><br />Why? Who made her an authority on anything?Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-61633351776049868842016-12-14T10:06:25.193+00:002016-12-14T10:06:25.193+00:00> So, what do you guys think about "The pr...> So, what do you guys think about "The protocols of the elders of zion" ?<br /><br />> I guess you think it is a hoax? But are here real proofs of that?<br /><br />OK, that shark was a huge one but you jumped it anyway. In one step you went from the "intellectualized" antisemitism of MacDonald and Solzhenitsyn (who both reject(ed) the more lurid antisemitic claims) to the antisemitism of a gibbering Black Hundreds mob. Let me guess the next issue you will sincerely want our input on: whether throughout history Jews have been killing gentile babies and drawing their blood.<br /><br />> If I understand him correctly, so there are distorted versions of the script, but also an authentic.<br /><br />The Protocols are based on Joly's book "The Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu", hence they're fake. There is really nothing to discuss.<br /><br />PS: But I guess you're also a creationist then (after all the Protocols were written for dumb hicks who thought "Darwinism" was a Jewish plot), which would really complete the picture.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-33068923684941051082016-12-13T22:39:39.887+00:002016-12-13T22:39:39.887+00:00My nickname on the skeptik society forum is "...My nickname on the skeptik society forum is "Im_Not_Creative_Enough". Search it if you like to further discuss. We so deep inside off-topic land, that they'll need to send a rescure team.Gabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07712750358743399545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-9521869807838322512016-12-13T21:01:02.403+00:002016-12-13T21:01:02.403+00:00"The only thing I disagree with you is on the..."The only thing I disagree with you is on the fact the Jews are reponsible for them."<br /><br />I dont say, "the Jews" are reponsible for them. Not all jews, not you. <br /><br />But there is no doubt that their are Jewish lobby groups working for their Jewish interests, is a leading role in these movements, and aims at mass immigration and multiculturalism and what is called White genocide, to make sure that Europeans will become a minority in their own homelands, and eventually lose power and influence, so that Europe will be safe for minorities of any kind, including Jews. <br /><br />I think they thought, that they would get free of anti-Semitism and the danger of a new Hitler, however, I guess some of them begin to realize that, Jews as an ethnic group in the end is being disadvantaged by it, when many Muslims hate Jews more than the Europeans probably ever have done, and so on.<br /><br />But anyway, I do not mean that all Jews, or the entire Jewish people is behind this agenda, like a giant "conspiracy", that would be ridiculous. And it is not only Jews, but also many ethnic Swedes, Germans, etc. behind it. However, what I am saying is that the Jewish lobbies is a leading factor in this, and I can see most of the ideologues who laid the foundations for this idea seems to be Jews. Jews are far less than 1% of the Swedish people, only a few thousand of the approximately 8-9 million or so, yet Jews are the most driven to achieve that Sweden would become a multicultural country in the 1970s and jews own all the big news papers etc. Similar has been the case in many other European countries, including the United States. It can not logically be a coincidence, it's a pattern, but not necessary a big jewish conspiracy either, as I said, far from all jews are behind it, or even aware of it, I would think.<br /><br />But quite ridiculous to deny. Perhaps equally as ridiculous to deny the Holocaust. To deny something quite obvious.<br /><br />Just look back at what Spectre said. She is far from alone, and she is not some kind of perifeir but a person with influence who obviously knows what she said. They have even cut away that film snippet in retrospect, from the Israeli documentary, I wonder why, she must have said things she should not have said.<br /><br />I get the feeling that Jews are saying and acknowledge Jewish power internally in jewish media. Also when it comes out, and a non-Jew only quote what was said, and uses it as a support for evidence, he immediately is called an anti-Semite and liar. Even though they do not say that the Jewish sources in itself was wrong, but it's the wrong people who quote it. Non-Jews should not cite Jews, it seems like.<br /><br />Let me quote Spectre again:<br /><br />"Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies [sic] that they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive ”<br /><br />—Barbara Lerner Spectre, IBA-News, 2010<br /><br /><br />1. So Europe will become non-european.<br />2. Jews have a leading role in this.<br /><br /><br />How could we interpret this in another way?<br /><br /><br />Yes thank you, I can contact you personally. Maybe I could get an account on sceptic forum, but do you have an email I can reach you? Or do you have account on www.rodoh.us ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-22900728171507932322016-12-13T21:00:10.682+00:002016-12-13T21:00:10.682+00:00Gabi, thanks for your answer.
Yes I do not deny t...Gabi, thanks for your answer.<br /><br />Yes I do not deny the Holocaust, it's just ridiculous to do. The Jews' fate with Holocaust was terrible, and I'm opponent of National Socialism for its human rights violations, their treatment of Jews, Slavs, etc.. I am opponent of their "might is right" imperialism etc. Believe it or not, but I have been been called "Zionist" etc for criticizing National Socialism.<br /><br />I myself am a follower of the ethno-pluralist idea that all races, peoples and Nations have a right to their own existence, their own countries / areas of life space (unlike<br />the National Socialists who could not respect other people's life areas without<br />wanted to conquer and violate the life-spaces or lebensraum).<br /><br /><br />Interesting what you write about Israel. Yes, that video for Muslim children and the like<br />I have seen before, I do not like it.<br /><br />"Look, it's not like I'm denying that there's a growing wave of multiculturalism in <br /><br />Europe and a destruction of national identities."<br /><br /><br />Great, that you dont deny that!<br /><br /><br />"I'm also not denying that those things are BAD."<br /><br /><br />Great! <br /><br /><br />Do you also think that the Europeans have the right to put stop to multiculturalism, stop <br /><br />immigration, and send back the foreign peoples, that don't belong here, to their own homelands? <br /><br /><br />(I'm talking about a humane repatriation, when they can return safely in peace time, to their own homelands. Being a refugee means that you will get temporary relief and then return home when it is safe, there is no end in itself that they must stay permanent, get citizenship etc. Most of the "refugees" who come to Sweden are no real refugees, they just want the prosperity, of the generous welfare state and all the benefits that it entails. I can not blame individuals who move here, because they want to create a better care for their families, but I blame those behind this agenda.)<br /><br /><br /><br />In other words, do you think that the Europeans have a right to their own homelands and living spaces, just as Jews and all other people should have that right?<br /><br />If you do that, and if you really are censere there should be no enmity between us.<br /><br />I do not see myself as any anti-Semitic Jew hater (Although many would probably like to <br />see it that way) The Jews who do not do us any harm, I do not mind them, especially if they stand on our side.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-38010498911500511192016-12-13T14:20:19.324+00:002016-12-13T14:20:19.324+00:00" It is clearly wrong to talk about Jews and ..." It is clearly wrong to talk about Jews and Jewish common interests, for it's "anti-Semitism" and "lies" and "myths". But it is allright, ok and good to do the same against Muslims apparently. "<br /><br />I didn't treat all muslims as a hive mind like you did with Jews. I just pointed out that Muslims from the countries that produce immigration today (Syria, Algeria, Yemen, Pakistan etc.) wouldn't logically choose Israel as a place they would immigrate to, over much more favorable options for them, like Germany or France. One of the reasons being the fact that those countries are enemy states to Israel, and let's be honest, it's no secret that many Muslims are taught from young age to hate Israel - so why would they wanna go there? Also why would an Algerian go to Israel when France is 5 times closer?<br />(Here's a lebeanese kids show... Let's just say, as much as you like to think that we Jews hate you gentiles, we never had TV shows who encouraged us to kill you<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3VfZ7tJkGE)Gabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07712750358743399545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-75609372974387295612016-12-13T14:12:11.785+00:002016-12-13T14:12:11.785+00:00Part 2
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How are they treated?
- define...Part 2<br />__________<br /><br /><br />How are they treated?<br />- define "treated". For groups 2 and 3, there are no goverment programs the pervent them any rights once they have a citiznship (which is harder to get for people from group 2, but still possible), maybe except for some aspects of marrige - as, unfortunately, there no seperation of church and state in everything that has to do with the subjact. Civil marrige in Israel requires for a tradional Jewish wedding, which is not possible if one of people in the couple is not Jeiwsh. You eithe have to convert, or go abroad, get married there, and than come back to Israel, which has a law which forces the state to recognize all forms of marrige performed in other countries (this is what MOST people do if they don't want a Jewish ceremony, even in cases when it's a Jewish couple who isn't fond of Religion).<br />On a private level, of course there are some hardcore nationalists who don't like non Jews living among them. It's not uncommon to see non Jews who get picked-on at school because of who they are. But still, non of this is state-offical.<br />As for group 1, there were plenty of attempts to get rid of them. Every couple of years there's yet another big boom of media hype about a possible banishment of the all illegal african refugees (a hype which is followed by a huge uproar of the liberal and leftist media, which are extremely anti-Jewish. That's right folks, in Israel, leftist are those who hate Jews) - but most of those attempts never really got anywhere. Today, some illegal immigrants get sent to prison if they get caught, some don't. It's mostly birocracy.<br /><br /> Do they get permanent residency and citizenship?<br />Yes, unless they are either Illegal immigrants or legal immigrants who for some birocratic reason had they're work permit canclled.<br /><br />Do they get the same rights to influence and power as Jews?<br />Conscidering the fact that categories 1 and 2 are relatively new (beggnining of the millenium), you ca<br />As for group 3 - nothing pervents them from being in high postions. Also, while they're technically not immigrants you have many ARABS in high positions in Israel. There are ARAB PARLIMENT members for crying out loud. Arab Judges. Arab millitary commenders. And it's not like those are Arabs who suck it up for the Jews - Ahmed Tibi is an Israeli parliment members who is extemley anti Jewish, he publically praises Jihadists who muder Jews, and he's somehow still in the parliment. <br /><br /> Do the Israeli government spend a lot of money to integration program in order to get more Jews and non-Jews to marry and have children? <br />- For this question, you will get the answer you want to here: No.<br /><br />What does the government of Israel to ensure that Israel is not to be a jewish state?<br />- Nothing.<br />Look, it's not like I'm denying that there's a growing wave of multiculturalism in Europe and a destruction of national identities. I'm also not denying that those things are BAD. The only thing I disagree with you is on the fact the Jews are reponsible for them.Gabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07712750358743399545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-88822614840847305032016-12-13T14:11:50.972+00:002016-12-13T14:11:50.972+00:00And now that I'm home, here are answers to you...And now that I'm home, here are answers to you questions:<br /><br />How many non-jewish immigrants do Israel take in each year? <br />- emough for them to be a noticiable part in Israeli society.<br />Just to make things clear, the non Jewish-immigration to Israel devides into 3 sections:<br />1) illegal immigrants, mostly from places like Sudan and Erithrea (Israel being the closest western country they can escape to). There are so many of them, that a huge portion of South Tel-Aviv is now unofficaly called "Little Sudan".<br />2) LEGAL work immigrants, many of them usually get a temporary woork permit and later get Israeli citizenship - esepcially if they marry an Israeli. Those immigrants are usually Asian (Thailand, Phillippines) or non-Jewish eastern European (Romanians, Poles and Ukranians).<br />3) non Jews who have the right to immigrate to Israel and gain automatic citizinship under the "law of return". You see, the "Law of Return" is an intentional replica of the Nuremberg laws, the idea being that Israel is supposed to be a haven to all those who would have been deemed worthy of death by the Nazis - Jews, but also gentiles who were married to Jews, and gentiles who had at least one Jewish grandfather. Therfore there are many people in Israel who aren't Jewish by blood of by religion (which says that only a person with a Jewish mother is concidered Jewish himself). For example, out of the 1.5 million people who escaped to Israel from the USSR in 1990s, many were non Jews - mostly the wives/husbands of people who WERE Jews. Also many half/0.25% Jews.<br /><br /><br />By the way, there are simillar laws in many other countries.<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_returnGabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07712750358743399545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-51231133811514541932016-12-13T05:54:11.640+00:002016-12-13T05:54:11.640+00:00You are an intresting case, Reactionary. You don&#...You are an intresting case, Reactionary. You don't deny the holocaust, and you don't seem to want Jews to die. You do, however, have many misconceptionsabout us, some of them classic. Perhaps you'd like to contact me personally - prefrably through the skeptik society forums - so I could answer firsthand on some questions you obviously have on Jews and Israel?Gabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07712750358743399545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-12240752163275196862016-12-12T20:32:08.611+00:002016-12-12T20:32:08.611+00:00So, what do you guys think about "The protoco...So, what do you guys think about "The protocols of the elders of zion" ?<br /><br />I guess you think it is a hoax? But are here real proofs of that?<br /><br />Here are a different view on it: http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/circus-maximus-dr-karl-radl-protocols-3-9-16/<br /><br />If I understand him correctly, so there are distorted versions of the script, but also an authentic.<br /><br />Have you examined it?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-80075693428716413352016-12-12T20:25:31.848+00:002016-12-12T20:25:31.848+00:00According to Gabi, it seems so anyway, and among m...According to Gabi, it seems so anyway, and among many others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-59558570326531886172016-12-12T18:11:21.190+00:002016-12-12T18:11:21.190+00:00> But it is allright, ok and good to do the sa...> But it is allright, ok and good to do the same against Muslims apparently.<br /><br />It isn't.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-58664594845779715622016-12-12T17:22:46.403+00:002016-12-12T17:22:46.403+00:00Gabi, how many non-jewish immigrants do Israel tak...Gabi, how many non-jewish immigrants do Israel take in each year? How are they treated? Do they get permanent residency and citizenship? Do they get the same rights to influence and power as Jews? Do the Israeli government spend a lot of money to integration program in order to get more Jews and non-Jews to marry and have children? What does the government of Israel to ensure that Israel is not to be a jewish state?<br /><br /><br />"Naturally we don't have Muslim immigration becausevwhy would Muslims from Syria or Iraq want to live in the country of their sworn enemies."<br /><br />Well how do you know? <br /><br />It is an anti-Muslim statement to condemn all Muslim individuals as if they would be one homogeneous collective with only one collective desire ?<br /><br />It is clearly wrong to talk about Jews and Jewish common interests, for it's "anti-Semitism" and "lies" and "myths". But it is allright, ok and good to do the same against Muslims apparently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com