tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post3335873652849535730..comments2024-03-20T07:25:58.202+00:00Comments on Holocaust Controversies: Mattogno and the Activity & Situation Report of Einsatzgruppe B on its Gas VansNicholas Terryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-30414747311985226292016-09-25T17:59:14.009+01:002016-09-25T17:59:14.009+01:00Höß:
Es bestanden - nach meiner Kenntnis - außer ...Höß:<br /><br />Es bestanden - nach meiner Kenntnis - außer Auschwitz folgende Vernichtungsstellen.<br /><br />Culmhof bei Litzmannstadt - Motorenabgase<br />Treblinka a. Bug - Motorenabgase<br />Sobibor bei Lublin - Motorenabgase<br />Belzec bei Lemberg - Motorenabgase<br />Lublin (Majdanek) - Cyclon B<br /><br /><br /><br />-----<br /><br />Jansson is such a dolt.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-9193002689779019442016-09-25T11:08:31.201+01:002016-09-25T11:08:31.201+01:00"What is more interesting is that Jansson tra...<i>"What is more interesting is that Jansson transformed "at Lemberg" into "in Lemberg". There is, of course, a crucial difference, since the report did not claim that the gas chambers were "in" Lemberg, so the reasonable interpretation is that as far as these particular Germans were concerned, Belzec was "at" (i.e. near) Lemberg."</i><br /><br /><br />Some context to understand why this falsification by Jansson matters:<br /><br />http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2016/01/german-pows-on-homicidal-gassing-in.html<br /><br />"ROTHKIRCH: All the gassing institutions are in POLAND, near Lvov. I know that there are large gassing centres there but I don't know any more."<br /><br /><br />Obviously for some Germans Lemberg (Lvov) was the handy name to bring up in relation to the gassings in the region, not being big on geography etc. So when the escapees told about their talks with the Germans who said that there were gas chambers "at Lemberg" it obviously meant in the vicinity, particularly in Belzec. Not "in" Lemberg, as the dishonest Jansson wantes to pretend.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-37186293687420146392016-09-21T07:20:28.822+01:002016-09-21T07:20:28.822+01:00@Nicolas The french page with comparisons with foo...@Nicolas The french page with comparisons with football: https://gayssoteries.wordpress.com/2016/09/10/5-miilions-de-juifs-assassines-temoignages-devoir-de-memoire-extraits/Gilles Karmasynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08674513064151621351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-17393570641938662382016-09-21T04:02:27.063+01:002016-09-21T04:02:27.063+01:00@Sergey
"Yeah, you missed the comical Polish...@Sergey<br /><br />"Yeah, you missed the comical Polish->Italian->English mistranslation in the same article, you have also missed the mistranslations of Prüfer, Tauber, Heepke."<br /><br />Don't forget the Reuter file note and the personal note by Himmler on the transport from Berlin to Riga. They really are constant.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-77980293996784027482016-09-20T23:43:07.214+01:002016-09-20T23:43:07.214+01:00BRoI: "Did you "LOL" before or afte...BRoI: "Did you "LOL" before or after you googled to find out that I was right?<br /><br />Seventeen of Mattongo's works can been found in the USHMM collection:<br />http://collections.ushmm.org/search/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=mattogno&search_field=all_fields"<br /><br />After. All 17 titles by Mattogno held at USHMM are in Italian, not a single one in English or German, just as I said. <br /><br />"Eight in the Wiener Library's:<br />http://wiener.soutron.net/Portal/Default/en-GB/Results/AdvancedSearchResults?searchResultId=1174899"<br /><br />And none more recent than 2004, just as I said. <br /><br />I also checked Kollerstrom - not at USHMM, but the Wiener has a copy, as well as Dalton - USHMM has a copy. Neither bothered to get Victor Thorn's Holocaust Hoax Exposed, but USHMM had an IHR-era edition of Staeglich. <br /><br />The "LOL" is really based on my experience with librarians, including those at USHMM. Libraries like USHMM and the Wiener will endeavour to stock all titles they think are relevant, both libraries have incomplete collections of revisionist literature while the Wiener has long had a research interest in antisemitism and the far right as well. Librarians order books based on publisher, some might be persuaded by catalogues or pitches, and of course they don't see the contents of the books before they order them. <br /><br />So, yeah, ROFLMAO.Nicholas Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-83161282392556380082016-09-20T22:47:51.828+01:002016-09-20T22:47:51.828+01:00> Excluding this French-to-English one pointed ...> Excluding this French-to-English one pointed out by JN and this Russian-to-Italian-to-English one pointed out by SR, why don't you list, say, ten, mistranslations by Mattogno or his translators in his enormous back-catalogue. <br /><br /><br />Yeah, you missed the comical Polish->Italian->English mistranslation in the same article, you have also missed the mistranslations of Prüfer, Tauber, Heepke.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-60216718326439417992016-09-20T22:25:34.104+01:002016-09-20T22:25:34.104+01:00> > And it's not like CM passed off a di...> > And it's not like CM passed off a dishonest paraphrasing by David Bankier as being a quote from an original document, à la Dr. Nicholas Terry.<br /><br />While it is a case of a flawed citation, it is not a case of plagiarism, contrary to the dolt you link to. The claim was that at least one of the authors has "seen" the document. Since Nick has seen it, the claim is true, albeit in the end he relied on Bankier (who is mentioned). Such minor fuck ups happen when you have to manage as many sources and footnotes as we did.<br /><br />What is more interesting is that Jansson transformed "at Lemberg" into "in Lemberg". There is, of course, a crucial difference, since the report did not claim that the gas chambers were "in" Lemberg, so the reasonable interpretation is that as far as these particular Germans were concerned, Belzec was "at" (i.e. near) Lemberg.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-79787541761011357792016-09-20T22:13:50.811+01:002016-09-20T22:13:50.811+01:00The Black Rabbit of Inlé said...:
"Hans was ...The Black Rabbit of Inlé said...:<br /><br /><i>"Hans was happy to swerve addressing my post about the Widmann trial judgment; hiding behind abusive shitpostings from Jeffrey and SR in which the latter did a good Hungover impression: victory dancing and spamming links that don't support stated assertions."</i><br /><br />Now, that's utter rubbish. I did not have the time yet to look at your comment in detail. You are not setting my priorities. <br /><br />Hans Metznerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07746792258730274681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-80133865300876249892016-09-20T21:53:48.608+01:002016-09-20T21:53:48.608+01:00> Did you "LOL" before or after you g...> Did you "LOL" before or after you googled to find out that I was right?<br /><br />It's hard to search for "our" topics on USHMM with any regularity and not to stumble upon something by Mattogno a couple of times. So that was a silly question. But then, it's BRoI.<br /><br />Of course, USHMM also has Fauri, Leuchter et al.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-56484963512075603342016-09-20T21:48:13.404+01:002016-09-20T21:48:13.404+01:00> It's his blockquotes that make his books ... > It's his blockquotes that make his books a must have for all those truly interested in the Holocaust;<br /><br />So you've reduced him to a mere, how to put it, collector, basically damning the wannabe great historian with faint praise.<br /><br />It is true that some of the materials he has published were useful (not necessary, not must-have... useful), but they constitute what, 0.0001% of his oeuvre? Whereas his fraudulent "scholarship", his absurd interpretations, his mistranslations, the things he omits (knowingly or not) make his overall "contribution" a big pile of manure. You may think that owning a big pile of manure is a must if you know there's a pearl there, somewhere, but sane people might just disagree.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-24104765900010159162016-09-20T21:37:45.555+01:002016-09-20T21:37:45.555+01:00The Black Rabbit of Inlé said...:
"Clearly y...The Black Rabbit of Inlé said...:<br /><br /><i>"Clearly you've different standards when it comes to evidencing false citations from CM and those by your colleagues in their WP." </i><br /><br />I'm just correcting your statement that MGK "don't pretend to have read documents in files they evidently haven't". Well, which is precisely what they did here. They cited from a Zentralstelle Ludwigsburg file, but had only accessed a book reproducing the interrogations. But frankly, MGK's problem is not so much the false citation, mistakes happen, but the garbage they made with it.<br /><br />And I have yet to see evidence that the HC Critique cited from files that at least one of the authors has not examined.Hans Metznerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07746792258730274681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-79463705148735527972016-09-20T21:36:43.958+01:002016-09-20T21:36:43.958+01:00> It's a shame, it would be amusing to watc...> It's a shame, it would be amusing to watch NT "think on his feet" when quizzed by M&G about what some Polish text says.<br /><br />Considering Mattogno's idiotic mistranslations that would be amusing indeed.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-66788852475433972312016-09-20T21:01:32.777+01:002016-09-20T21:01:32.777+01:00Hans >>> [...] Whoops.
Clearly you'v...Hans >>> [...] Whoops.<br /><br />Clearly you've different standards when it comes to evidencing false citations from CM and those by your colleagues in their WP.<br /><br />But, sure, he should've cited AotH:22 [he cites the Widmann interrogation in ItGC as well]. Although you're not contesting they have actually seen copies of the interrogation records of Widmann 11 January 1960 and Kallmeyer 20 July 1961, just that they've not seen the originals. And it's not like CM passed off a dishonest paraphrasing by David Bankier as being a quote from an original document, <i>à la</i> <a href="https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=28047#p28047" rel="nofollow">Dr. Nicholas Terry.</a><br /><br />_____________________<br /><br /><br />NT >>> LOL. USHMM actually only stocks hard-to-find (i.e.: undigitised) Italian editions of Mattogno's shorter polemics with just a few of the books on camps - to emphasise, in Italian.<br /><br />Did you "LOL" before or after you googled to find out that I was right?<br /><br />Seventeen of Mattongo's works can been found in the USHMM collection:<br />http://collections.ushmm.org/search/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=mattogno&search_field=all_fields<br /><br />Eight in the Wiener Library's:<br />http://wiener.soutron.net/Portal/Default/en-GB/Results/AdvancedSearchResults?searchResultId=1174899<br /><br /><br />NT >>> You have this bizarre expectation that Hans will remember your every whim and slavishly transcribe sources for you: grow up.<br /><br />I really don't. Hans was happy to swerve addressing my post about the Widmann trial judgment; hiding behind abusive shitpostings from Jeffrey and SR in which the latter did a good Hungover impression: victory dancing and spamming links that don't support stated assertions.<br /><br />_____________________<br /><br /><br />Jeffrey >>> I personally think that Mattogno's constant mistranslation,<br /><br />You've spotted these yourself have you? <br /><br />Excluding <a href="http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/dr-joachim-neander-responds-to-carlo.html" rel="nofollow">this French-to-English one pointed out by JN</a> and <a href="http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/carlo-mattogno-failed-dragon-slayer.html" rel="nofollow">this Russian-to-Italian-to-English one pointed out by SR</a>, why don't you list, say, ten, mistranslations by Mattogno or his translators in his enormous back-catalogue. <br /><br />Should be a doddle for a master linguist such as yourself, especially considering they're "constant".<br /><br />_____________________<br /><br />RM >>> I wrote that, but I didn't thereby "admit" anything.<br /> <br />Don't panic; things aren't so bad already that you to worry about *conceding* that his work has value. So, no need to quibble over the meaning of "admit".<br />The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-10766057066534780292016-09-20T19:31:02.842+01:002016-09-20T19:31:02.842+01:00@BROI:
"So this farce make what they did to h...@BROI:<br />"So this farce make what they did to him okay in your eyes then?"<br /><br />Don't spin this back on me, wabbit. I'm a free speech advocate (as I've stated here, at the Skeptics Forum and FG's blog). I couldn't care less if Leuchter flew to London to address a room full Neo-Nazi skinheads, Nazi apologists and Holocaust deniers. But, Britain (and the US, Germany, whoever) has the right to deny entry to whoever they wish. I have no reason to trust your account of what happened. <br /><br />J Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04893548775462142380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-52884494217160880562016-09-20T16:09:41.318+01:002016-09-20T16:09:41.318+01:00"Even Hans and RM have admitted to me in the ..."Even Hans and RM have admitted to me in the past that his books are useful for the documents and translations of them."<br /><br />I cannot speak for others, but I personally think that Mattogno's constant mistranslation, misinterpretation, and distortion of sources leaves any observer with no choice but to assume that anything he quotes is inaccurate/made up until proven otherwise. One cannot go by anything he writes unless it is matched up by the primary documents, and if some of the more recent HC treatments of his screed is any indication that rarely is the case, if at all.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-62685707606466026652016-09-20T14:20:13.606+01:002016-09-20T14:20:13.606+01:00"Even Hans and RM have admitted to me in the ..."Even Hans and RM have admitted to me in the past that his books are useful for the documents and translations of them."<br /><br />I wrote that, but I didn't thereby "admit" anything. I was rather pointing out that, as a collection of sources belying "Revisionist" beliefs that are very poorly dealt with in the considerations in between, Mattogno's works are counterproductive from a "Revisionist" point of view.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-67478027686624498202016-09-20T08:30:39.711+01:002016-09-20T08:30:39.711+01:00BRoI: "It's his blockquotes that make his...BRoI: "It's his blockquotes that make his books a must have for all those truly interested in the Holocaust; those and the facsimiles of documents. Why else would the USHMM library and the Wiener Library keep have so many of his books? Certainly not for his take on things."<br /><br />LOL. USHMM actually only stocks hard-to-find (i.e.: undigitised) Italian editions of Mattogno's shorter polemics with just a few of the books on camps - to emphasise, in Italian. The Wiener doesn't have any titles after 2004, and then only six of them plus two articles in a journal, both libraries have other denier books but neither has a comprehensive collection. <br /><br />Documents are usually transcribed/translated or facsimiled in separate document editions or in appendices, they're not plonked in the middle of a text with minimal commentary. Mattogno's block quote problem also extends to repeating large chunks of secondary literature. <br /><br />Take a look at history books in general: they do not do this to anything like the same extent, no matter what the subject. Transcribed/translated/facsimile sources go into separate editions or sometimes documentary articles, with an introduction followed by the document, with critical annotations in footnotes/endnotes. <br /><br />Bottom line: Mattogno might have had more of an impact if he wrote conventional books and then presented separate document editions. Might.<br /> <br />"Even Hans and RM have admitted to me in the past that his books are useful for the documents and translations of them."<br /><br />And yet Hans, Roberto, Sergey, myself and others *also* criticise Mattogno repeatedly for omitting any mention of literally hundreds of sources. <br /><br />"HC could do with more blockquotes, particularly from >>removed on threat of post deletion<<"<br /><br />Ask your question to Hans on a Mogilev series post comments thread. You asked about something that was not mentioned in the essay above, because the post is about a different subject; getting to the Einsatzgruppe B Gaswagen document requires mentioning the Mogilev gassing, sure, but that in no way means that Hans was 'hiding' anything by not digressing into a point of detail. <br /><br />You have this bizarre expectation that Hans will remember your every whim and slavishly transcribe sources for you: grow up.Nicholas Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-1468558067078276022016-09-20T06:53:29.505+01:002016-09-20T06:53:29.505+01:00The Black Rabbit of Inlé said...
"NT >>...The Black Rabbit of Inlé said...<br /><br />"NT >>> As opposed to M&G being asked about documents in files they haven't read?<br /><br />At least they don't pretend to have read documents in files they evidently haven't."<br /><br />Yes, they do. In TECOAR they allegedly cite Albert Widmann from a ZStL file (previously also in Mattogno's Chelmno): <br /><br />"ZStL 202 AR-Z 152/59, vol.1, p. 45." <br /><br />They cite nothing else from this file, although it contains way more material on the killing experiments (incl. von Armbruster and Bauer; it is now filed as BArch B162/4338). Strange, no? They also cited an interrogation of Kallmeyer (and nothing else from this file):<br /><br />"ZStL 439 AR-Z 340/59 Ord. Euthanasie"<br /><br />And guess what, precisely these two interrogations (and nothing else from the corresponding files) are reproduced in Archives of the Holocaust, volume 22, which Kues obtained in 2008 and e-mailed other Revisionists what he should scan from there. <br /><br />Whoops.Hans Metznerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07746792258730274681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-13835645702635205202016-09-20T04:27:14.067+01:002016-09-20T04:27:14.067+01:00Jeff, and you support that? "hate speech"...Jeff, and you support that? "hate speech" could be anything, for example mild criticism of immigration policy, recognizing the existence of races among mankind, referring to the research showing that there are racial differences, referring to research showing that some racial groups are over-represented in a particular crime category etc., it does not necessarily at all mean that someone expresses hatred or threats against any particular racial group. Such laws usually break against the right of freedom of speech and other fundamental freedoms of Western laws and so on. <br /><br />That law is often misused to bust people whose opinions is not liked by the system, which goes against the its ideology, and is disguise that it "protects minority groups" and similar bullshit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-27934197546113206582016-09-20T02:55:15.821+01:002016-09-20T02:55:15.821+01:00Leuchter was a fraud and had a criminal conviction...Leuchter was a fraud and had a criminal conviction IIRC for fraud. He had also recently been involved in a public spectacle where he explicitly gave support to a Neo-Nazi with a long record of hate speech. It is not out of the ordinary for someone with criminal convictions or a record of ties to hate speech to be banned from certain countries. It happens in Canada all the time. Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-84520991987237373032016-09-20T02:34:07.364+01:002016-09-20T02:34:07.364+01:00NT >>> As opposed to M&G being asked ...NT >>> As opposed to M&G being asked about documents in files they haven't read? <br /><br />At least they don't pretend to have read documents in files they evidently haven't.<br /><br /><br />NT >>> It'd be fun to see Mattogno writing even 3000 words before introducing a block quote, I'll grant you that much. I'm not sure if he's ever written anything that long without launching into a block quote, table of statistics or some other interruption to the flow of what would be a conventional undergraduate essay.<br /><br />It's his blockquotes that make his books a must have for all those truly interested in the Holocaust; those and the facsimiles of documents. Why else would the USHMM library and the Wiener Library keep have so many of his books? Certainly not for his take on things. Even Hans and RM have admitted to me in the past that his books are useful for the documents and translations of them.<br /><br />HC could do with more blockquotes, particularly from >>removed on threat of post deletion<<<br /><br /><br />_________________________________<br /><br /><br />JK >>> The British Goverment told Leuchter not to enter their country otherwise they would do exactly what they did....arrest and deport him. So, Leuchter flew to Britain anyway and the British arrested and deported him.<br /><br />Well, they told his dad *he* was banned from the UK:<br /><br /><i>In the spring of 1991, David Irving asked me if I would consider a speaking engagement in England later that year. I said that I would, and I was advised in mid-summer that this would take place during the second week of November.<br /><br />Irving apparently announced the speech sometime later. This apparently enraged Jewish groups in London which protested to UK Home Secretary Mr. Kenneth Baker in an effort to prevent me from travelling to London. This is a clear infringement of the rights of British people to hear me speak. This certainly also curtails my right to travel to England as any other American citizen.<br /><br />As a result of pressure by these Jewish groups, Mr. Baker apparently promised to take action. The Jewish Chronicle, a London weekly paper, reported in its issue of October 4, 1991, that Home Secretary Baker had banned my travel to the United Kingdom. This was the only mention of the ban in the British media, and was not a particularly reliable source.<br /><br />A week or so later, my father, Fred A. Leuchter, Sr., received a letter, ostensibly from the Immigration and Naturalization Department of Her Majesty's government, informing him that, by direction of the Home Secretary, he was not permitted to travel to the United Kingdom. My father communicated this letter to me.<br /><br />Because my father had no such travel plans, my first assumption was that this letter was meant for me. However, a closer reading of it suggested that it might be a fraud. The signatory, Mr. "G.P.J. Catt," had no title, and part of the date was written by hand. Certainly, the Home Secretary and Her Majesty's Immigration Office would not be so sloppy and unbusinesslike as to send off an amateurishly prepared letter to the wrong person. My address is publicly known, and is easy to ascertain.<br /><br /><b>I turned the questionable document over to my attorney, Kirk Lyons, to authenticate. He, in turn, formally protested the letter to the UK Consulates in both Houston and Boston. In each case, the Consulate advised him that his protest was unfounded because there was no ban on travel to the UK by me (or my father, for that matter). He was informed that the letter must be fraudulent, and that it did not prohibit my travel to Britain in any way. Lyons was also informed that all Home Office documents must contain a reference number, which this did not. Based on all this, I confirmed my travel plans to London.</b></i><br />http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p429_leuchter.html<br /><br />So this farce make what they did to him okay in your eyes then?<br /><br /> The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-87746626940408210202016-09-19T23:35:35.602+01:002016-09-19T23:35:35.602+01:00"Even though we have no denial laws in Britai..."Even though we have no denial laws in Britain, on 15 November 1991 Fred Leuchter was taken into custody by the police at Chelsea Town Hall [London] when he was about to give a speech at a revisionist meeting. He was deported after being locked in a cell for several hours."<br /><br />The British Goverment told Leuchter not to enter their country otherwise they would do exactly what they did....arrest and deport him. So, Leuchter flew to Britain anyway and the British arrested and deported him.<br />Like they said they would.<br />You can also blame David Irving for this. Apparently he made a huge deal about Leuchter being there, this is how the British authorities found out.J Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04893548775462142380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-84827794476554547592016-09-19T22:38:08.091+01:002016-09-19T22:38:08.091+01:00BRoI: "It's a shame, it would be amusing ...BRoI: "It's a shame, it would be amusing to watch NT "think on his feet" when quizzed by M&G about what some Polish text says."<br /><br />As opposed to M&G being asked about documents in files they haven't read? Or all kinds of other 'gotchas' that could be fired back at them? Congratulations for illustrating why a live debate format doesn't work with a subject as complex as this one. <br /><br />The Shermer-Weber debate took a conventional debate format, with two speakers giving 30 minute presentations followed by 20 minute rebuttals. Hmm, so each side gets half an hour to, theoretically, summarise their respective literatures and cover the evidence. A moderate speaking pace would cover about 2500-3000 words at most in half an hour. <br /><br />It'd be fun to see Mattogno writing even 3000 words before introducing a block quote, I'll grant you that much. I'm not sure if he's ever written anything that long without launching into a block quote, table of statistics or some other interruption to the flow of what would be a conventional undergraduate essay.Nicholas Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-27728131405390802742016-09-19T21:46:29.870+01:002016-09-19T21:46:29.870+01:00"Why not organize a conference in present tim...<i>"Why not organize a conference in present times like this and debate? Holocaust Controversies vs Mattogno/Graf and others?<br /><br />If not, why not?"</i><br /><br />Due to denial laws in Europe, such a conference could only take place in the U.S., or Iran, or some non-servile banana republic; the Federated States of Micronesia is an obvious no-no.<br /><br />Even though we have no denial laws in Britain, on 15 November 1991 Fred Leuchter was taken into custody by the police at Chelsea Town Hall [London] when he was about to give a speech at a revisionist meeting. He was deported after being locked in a cell for several hours. British police also arrested Fredrick Toben under a European arrest warrant in 2008. But unfortunately for his pursuers, a British judge refused to have him extradited to Germany.<br /><br />Even if the theoretical conference did take place in a country where the authorities would allowed it, the revisionists would still have violent "protesters" to content with.<br /><br />It's a shame, it would be amusing to watch NT "think on his feet" when quizzed by M&G about what some Polish text says.<br /><br /><br /><br /> The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-42414430876053711912016-09-19T21:12:44.584+01:002016-09-19T21:12:44.584+01:00A blatant diversion attempt by BRoI to minutiae ab...A blatant diversion attempt by BRoI to minutiae about the Mogilev gassing not mentioned in the blog post above was given the boot. Nicholas Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.com