tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post2433402835552761989..comments2024-03-17T20:28:40.281+00:00Comments on Holocaust Controversies: Index of Published Evidence on Mass Extermination in Auschwitz and Auschwitz-BirkenauNicholas Terryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-4808660600104039112018-09-03T03:40:12.783+01:002018-09-03T03:40:12.783+01:00I think you meant Rudolf, not Leuchter. In any cas...I think you meant Rudolf, not Leuchter. In any case here is Jansson's attempt to debunk it:<br />https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=7664<br />I suggest that you read it through if you haven't done so already. Some interesting revelations there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-83345591452749372222017-03-15T05:20:09.573+00:002017-03-15T05:20:09.573+00:00Another from Konrad Morgen testifying at the Buche...Another from Konrad Morgen testifying at the Buchenwald trial on 11 June 1947:<br /><br />"Camp Auschwitz had many industrial plants around it but Auschwitz should not be confused with the special extermination camp which was located in the vicinity of Auschwitz. This extermination camp was Birkenau."<br /><br />- Transcript United States v Josias Prince zu Waldeck et al, p.2796 <br /><br />He also said:<br /><br />"The average occupation of Camp Auschwitz was eighty to one hundred thousand men. Camp Auschwitz was building one big synthetic rubber factory. Camp Auschwitz also had an exceptionally large agricultural establishment and furthermore a large number of prisoners kept leaving Auschwitz constantly in order to be put to work on labor projects in the East." [p.2796]<br /><br />The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-6995318326980592652017-02-22T20:44:39.723+00:002017-02-22T20:44:39.723+00:00Marius, this is certainly a sloppy reference to Fr...Marius, this is certainly a sloppy reference to Fred Leuchter's 30 samples taken from the crematoria ruins in Auschwitz-Birkenau, which were analyzed by the Alpha Analytical Laboratories in Westborough, Massachusetts. <br /><br />On Leuchter, I'd recommend Richard Green's <a href="http://www.phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/irving-david/rudolf/affweb.pdf" rel="nofollow">expert report</a> submitted for the appeal of the trial Irving vs. Lipstadt.Hans Metznerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07746792258730274681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-74271980566669657162017-02-22T11:53:38.688+00:002017-02-22T11:53:38.688+00:00I recently got a reply from a denier called Frater...I recently got a reply from a denier called Frater Oculus, he said:<br />David Irving talk about Cambridge University laboratories testing 30 samples of the Auchwitz "death chambers" negative for Prussian blue poison residue which binds with the iron in brick and stays around for hundreds of years. The real, hard, objective science doesn't hold up, regardless of calling it "racist."<br /><br />Have someone ever heard about this testing that he refers to. I have certainly not and i can’t find any sign of it on the web or in this blog. Anyone like to comment?<br />karlomagne@hotmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16029332433662492708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-71260263798094680302017-02-22T11:48:03.386+00:002017-02-22T11:48:03.386+00:00I had an encounter With a denier lately that spoke...I had an encounter With a denier lately that spoke about a forensic examination performed by Cambridge University. Just to quote the comment:<br /><br />"David Irving talk about Cambridge University laboratories testing 30 samples of the Auchwitz "death chambers" negative for Prussian blue poison residue which binds with the iron in brick and stays around for hundreds of years. The real, hard, objective science doesn't hold up, regardless of calling it "racist." <br /><br />I must admite i have never heard of such a examination. It is certainly not mentioned any litteratur of mine or does no make any hits on Google. <br /><br />Anyone ever heard about this? karlomagne@hotmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16029332433662492708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-77889315690873556042016-08-30T21:13:04.886+01:002016-08-30T21:13:04.886+01:00"- Nikolay Nilovich Burdenko
- Mytropolitos N..."- Nikolay Nilovich Burdenko<br />- Mytropolitos Nikolai Ivanovitch Lomakin<br /><br />You remember them. The fellows who also signed USSR-54:"<br /><br />*eyeroll*<br /><br />Hans did not promise to include only the impeccable evidence. E.g. he also included Petzold who apparently lied about some things, and Müller, a very problematic witness. Listing evidence is the first step before critical examination.<br /><br />The Soviet report being signed by Burdenko and Nikolai is an idiotic argument though, parroted by a lot of silly deniers. Mitr. Nikolai was a figurehead in any case, you don't imagine he (or, say, Lysenko) actually investigated anything? So his sig means nothing in any case.<br /><br />Burdenko is a more interesting case: he was an actual investigator, but there is no credible evidence that he didn't believe in the Soviet Katyn revelations. Note that the actual falsification in Katyn was done by the NKGB, the commission basically took NKGB's report, updated the preliminary NKGB testimonies with the ones they heard themselves and attached a medical act to it. The very few people among the lower medical personnel who "found" documents on the bodies were likely NKGB agents as well. IOW, everything was done in such a way as to not make the average non-agent members of the Commission to doubt the official version. As the protocols show, there wasn't any "overt" falsification going on during the Commission's work and there is nothing to suggest that most members of the Commission were knowingly engaged in this falsification.<br /><br />I can comprehend the general "oh, Soviet evidence, suspect" argument, at least it's based on certain truths. But this specific argument makes no sense (when one is not ignorant about what actually happened).Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-55422490065739605442013-11-29T03:43:49.768+00:002013-11-29T03:43:49.768+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07479851068077778769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-69431693885205881222013-07-21T16:07:08.850+01:002013-07-21T16:07:08.850+01:00Well done Hans for all the effort you have put in ...Well done Hans for all the effort you have put in here to compile this list. <br />I wonder if the nazi sympathisers could produce a similar list of evidence? Something that proves their theory that the gas chambers were actually morgues, delousing rooms, air raid shelters, shower rooms, toilets,canteens,indoor swimming pools, creches, stationary cupboards etc etc !Arthur Crumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02528152257644027463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-3544211230563885192013-05-30T18:03:56.263+01:002013-05-30T18:03:56.263+01:00The Black Rabbit of Inlé said...
"You also c...The Black Rabbit of Inlé said...<br /><br />"You also cited his 13 July 1946 affidavit, but haven't provided the volume number of the Blue Series it's appears in. What volume is it in Hans?"<br /><br />I've added the volume. <br /><br />Hans Metznerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07746792258730274681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-14729905937291394912012-11-11T05:00:33.241+00:002012-11-11T05:00:33.241+00:00Oh, and:
- "I remember talking to Soviet of...Oh, and: <br /><br />- "I remember talking to Soviet officers," he adds. "And they were baffled. 'You know they're guilty,' they'd say. 'Why don't you just shoot them?' There was a lot of that kind of feeling in postwar Germany." - <br /><br />There goes your "collusion". <br />Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660486969581542489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-13864538148701676062012-11-11T04:59:28.368+00:002012-11-11T04:59:28.368+00:00- But in the meantime:
"I once saw DPs beat ...- But in the meantime:<br /><br />"I once saw DPs beat an SS man and then strap him to the steel gurney of a crematorium. They slid him in the oven, turned on the heat and took him back out. Beat him again, and put him back in until he was burnt alive. I did nothing to stop it. I suppose I could have brandished my weapon or shot in the air, but I was not inclined to do so. Does that make me an accomplice to murder?"<br /><br />- Benjamin B. Ferencz, Romanian born, Jewish American lawyer. Chief US prosecutor at the<br />Einsatzgruppen Trial. -<br /><br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/21/AR2005072101680_5.html<br /><br />Unsurprisingly, you're taking that quote out of context, too.<br /><br />You want me (and the average reader) to think that the Einsatzgruppen Trials were dominated by Jews, and that the primary method used by these Jews in the Einsatzgruppen Trials was torture. <br /><br />Do you really think that I wouldn't check that article myself?<br /><br />- He says he has never, however, had any moral qualms about his actions. "I never gave it much thought after the war," he says. "The point is: What do you do with these guys? The war crimes courts were already backlogged with more senior Nazis. The jails were full. They were going to slip through the cracks." -<br /><br /><b>The overwhelming majority of the lower-level SS guards did in fact escape justice.</b><br /><br />- Ferencz prosecuted members of the Einsatzgruppen. "There were 3,000 members of these killing squads who did nothing but kill women and children for three straight years," he says. "These 3,000 men alone were responsible for almost 1 million murders. Do you know how many I brought indictments against? <b>Twenty-two</b>. The rest were never tried.<br />"I remember talking to Soviet officers," he adds. "And they were baffled. 'You know they're guilty,' they'd say. <b>'Why don't you just shoot them?' There was a lot of that kind of feeling in postwar Germany." </b>- <br /><br />The key was to make certain that there were no cases of mistaken identity. The SS men would have to own up to their participation in mass murders of their own volition, never as a result of torture, since people tend to admit to anything under such circumstances, says Weiss. As a backup, "I'd make them write out a detailed history of their war record, including who they served with, when and under who." This was double-checked against captured Nazi records to make sure that the person was indeed who they claimed to be. Only then was the decision taken, Weiss says.<br /><br />- Damn Nathan, you're not just a bore you're boring.<br /><br />"Out of context", "non sequitur", "not qualified to talk about". You really do like to use the clichéd excuses when you don't have an argument. -<br /><br />You're getting hysterical. And, you're still boring. Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660486969581542489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-85478435632029862692012-11-11T04:51:50.052+00:002012-11-11T04:51:50.052+00:00- Yes, during the Frankfurt trial, Morgen complete...- Yes, during the Frankfurt trial, Morgen completely contradicted his IMT testimony (his multiple slips of the tongue), describing Krema II in INTIMATE detail. This doesn't change the fact Han's has lied by claiming he described the Birkenau gas chambers at the IMT, when he specially and repeatedly denied there were gas chambers anywhere but at Monowitz. -<br /><br />And, while he was in Brazil, Ronald Reagan made a toast to "The People of Bolivia"<br />http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/brazil/090422/how-much-do-you-know-about-brazil?page=0,1<br /><br />Does that mean that Reagan did not visit Brazil, but rather Bolivia?<br /><br />Or, does that simply mean got the name wrong? <br /><br />The principle is the same. Morgen was talking about <b>Birkenau</b> when he testified. He even identified Hoess as the commandant, and everyone knows that Hoess was the commandant of Birkenau. <b>He simply got the name wrong</b><br /><br />Again, for emphasis, with examples:<br /><br />- - If you can't understand the difference between what a witness <b>saw</b> (in this case, Morgen seeing gassings at Birkenau) and what a witness <b>assumed</b> or <b>guessed</b> (Morgen's misnaming of Birkenau as Monowitz), and that there are rules of evidence - e.g. the US rules of evidence - that <b>do</b> tell the difference between them, then <b>you're not qualified to talk about it. </b><br /><br />- Get yourself a copy of Baxter's book, and read about the many beatings Hoess received in British and "Polish" custody. -<br /><br />I'm still not seeing the footnote proving that Hoess never knew English. <br /><br />Oh, and are you now claiming that Hoess was never in "Polish" custody? There goes your claim about the Poles (and the CJHC) "pressuring" him.Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660486969581542489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-42088950916987923632012-11-10T18:22:34.245+00:002012-11-10T18:22:34.245+00:00Damn Nathan, you're not just a bore you're...Damn Nathan, you're not just a bore you're boring.<br /><br />"Out of context", "non sequitur", "not qualified to talk about". You really do like to use the clichéd excuses when you don't have an argument. <br /><br />The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-72996535317766133252012-11-10T18:13:33.025+00:002012-11-10T18:13:33.025+00:00Yes, during the Frankfurt trial, Morgen completely...Yes, during the Frankfurt trial, Morgen completely contradicted his IMT testimony (his multiple slips of the tongue), describing Krema II in INTIMATE detail. This doesn't change the fact Han's has lied by claiming he described the Birkenau gas chambers at the IMT, when he specially and repeatedly denied there were gas chambers anywhere but at Monowitz.<br /><br />Get yourself a copy of Baxter's book, and read about the many beatings Hoess received in British and "Polish" custody.<br /><br />But even more significantly:<br /><br />"We informed Frau Hoess that the train outside was to take her three sons to Siberia, unless she told us where her husband was,"<br /><br />— Captain Victor Cross, 92 Field Security Section, Report 15 March 1946. As quoted in Baxter, Ian. The Commandant. Rudolf Hoess, the Creator of Auschwitz. Meath, RoI: Maverick. 2008. pp.174-175 & 217 & 222.<br /><br />But in the meantime:<br /><br />"I once saw DPs beat an SS man and then strap him to the steel gurney of a crematorium. They slid him in the oven, turned on the heat and took him back out. Beat him again, and put him back in until he was burnt alive. I did nothing to stop it. I suppose I could have brandished my weapon or shot in the air, but I was not inclined to do so. Does that make me an accomplice to murder?"<br /><br />- Benjamin B. Ferencz, Romanian born, Jewish American lawyer. Chief US prosecutor at the<br />Einsatzgruppen Trial.<br /><br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/21/AR2005072101680_5.html<br />The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-11468929112729637192012-11-10T16:24:25.885+00:002012-11-10T16:24:25.885+00:00From the other thread:
I know of 5—you may know ...From the other thread: <br /><br />I know of 5—you may know of more—former AB survivors who "independently" confirmed, between 8 months to over a year before Hoess was captured, that 4,000,000 were killed at AB (Tauber, Dragon, Bimko, Bendel and Heinrich Neumann) in an affidavit, under oath as a trial witness, or both.<br /><br /> But there is a "convergence of evidence" that the CJHC reduction, which coincided with Hoess' reduction, were not simply coincidental. Why did Hoess claim in his "memoirs" that he taught himself English in Brandenburg prison, when he had no knowledge of the English language at all? (Baxter, p.180) - <br /><br />Pasted from <br /><br />So, you're claiming that, in the case of Hoess and now, Hoettl, the IMT wanted to "spin a yarn". You claim that Hoess was "pressured" into lowering his estimates to line up with the CJHC's. And that Hoettl was "pressured" or "influenced" by estimates made during the war and after the war. You also repeated that tired old claim about "beaten Germans". Yet at the same time, the IMT "forgot" to "pressure" Konrad Morgen into following the line that was established by those AB survivors. In your world, the IMT, or the "Fabricators" are both all powerful and incompetent at the same time. <br /><br />I would guess that Hans is talking about Konrad Morgen's Auscwhitz trial testimony, as opposed to the IMT testimony. By then, he had all the time in the world to correct himself. All this about a slip in the tongue. <br /><br />Again: <br /><br />If you can't understand the difference between what a witness <b>saw</b> and what a witness <b>assumed</b> or <b>guessed</b>, and that there are rules of evidence - e.g. the US rules of evidence - that <b>do</b> tell the difference between them, then you're not qualified to talk about it.Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660486969581542489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-29217263138697890962012-11-09T12:57:18.295+00:002012-11-09T12:57:18.295+00:00Why have you excluded the May 6, 1945 report of th...Why have you excluded the May 6, 1945 report of the the Soviet State Extraordinary Commission for the Investigation of Fascist and Nazi Crimes a.k.a. USSR-008?<br /><br />It's signed by two more liars:<br /><br />- Nikolay Nilovich Burdenko<br />- Mytropolitos Nikolai Ivanovitch Lomakin<br /><br />You remember them. The fellows who also signed USSR-54:<br /><br />"The Report by a Special Soviet Commission, 24 January 1944, concerning the shooting of Polish officer prisoners of war in the forest of Katyn. The executions had been carried out in the autumn 1941 by the German "Staff of the Construction Battalion 537." In the spring of 1943 the Germans, by blackmailing witnesses into giving false evidence and by other means, had tried to make it appear that the Soviet NKVD was responsible for the shooting of the 11,000 victims."<br /><br />The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-20471953481681978292012-11-09T12:35:42.470+00:002012-11-09T12:35:42.470+00:00You liar Hans! Tut tut.
>>>>> &quo...You liar Hans! Tut tut.<br /><br />>>>>> "Konrad Morgen (SS investigator) [eyewitness], affidavit of 13 July 1946 (Allied investigators) [Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 14 November 1945-1 October 1946: Documents and other material in evidence, p. 561], examination of 8 August 1946, Nuremberg (Allied trial proceeding), examination of 8 March 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (gassing of unfit Jews in crematorium in Birkenau)"<br /><br />Morgen stated under oath at the IMT, August 8, 1946:<br /><br />"By "Extermination Camp Auschwitz" I did not mean the concentration camp. It did not exist there. I meant a separate extermination camp near Auschwitz, called "Monowitz." [...] I do not know of any other extermination camps. [...] I thoroughly investigated the entire stretch of territory and studied the layout and installations [...] These trucks drove off, but they did not drive to the Concentration Camp Auschwitz, but in another direction to the Extermination Camp Monowitz, [...] The Extermination Camp Monowitz lay far away from the concentration camp. [...] Hoess was commander of the Concentration Camp Auschwitz, and also of the extermination camp, Monowitz."<br /><br />>>>>> "(gassing of unfit Jews in crematorium in Birkenau)"<br /><br />♪ ♫ Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies ♫ ♪<br /><br />You also cited his 13 July 1946 affidavit, but haven't provided the volume number of the Blue Series it's appears in. What volume is it in Hans?<br />The Black Rabbit of Inléhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083144769375557650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-18479016336671688012012-10-08T16:32:04.297+01:002012-10-08T16:32:04.297+01:00Thanks, Roberto. I've fixed it.Thanks, Roberto. I've fixed it. Hans Metznerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07746792258730274681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-58477954725026111622012-10-08T13:20:06.026+01:002012-10-08T13:20:06.026+01:00Great research work,
congratulations!
There’s on...Great research work,<br />congratulations! <br /><br />There’s one dead link here: <br /><br />Charles Bendel (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], examination of 1 October 1945,Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.com