tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post1490558634319644021..comments2024-03-29T02:19:32.860+00:00Comments on Holocaust Controversies: The Kamenets-Podolsky MassacreNicholas Terryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-10025748686315581382018-07-16T05:37:23.319+01:002018-07-16T05:37:23.319+01:00lya Kelmanovich, who was born in 1930 and was livi...lya Kelmanovich, who was born in 1930 and was living in Kamenets-Podolsk during the war years, testifies how in August 1941 he and his family, along with other Jews of Kamenets-Podolsk, were taken from the ghetto to a field near the munitions depot on the northern outskirts of the city. Kelmanovich describes how, after a selection had been carried out during which the craftsmen were allowed to live longer, the rest, including members of his family, were taken in groups to be shot. Kelmanovich relates how he managed to escape the shooting.<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYolUFgfFIADan Kelsohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01237572020458648454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-87537004885446452862015-03-28T13:47:41.204+00:002015-03-28T13:47:41.204+00:00Perhaps you can use this for info:http://degob.org...Perhaps you can use this for info:http://degob.org/index.php?showarticle=2019#_edn4Jacobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07099500455962505463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-16276962143204707852014-01-25T03:02:30.993+00:002014-01-25T03:02:30.993+00:00Just wanted to point out that the Hungarian Terror...Just wanted to point out that the Hungarian Terror Haza Museum acknowledges this massacre -- http://www.terrorhaza.hu/en/temporary_exhibitions/previous_exhibitions/hungarian_tragedy_1944/exhibition_text.html<br /><br />At the end of August, 1941 16-18,000 stateless Jews, who had earlier been driven out by the Hungarian authorities to Kamenyec-Podolszkij in German-held Galicia, were massacred by S.S. units, assisted by Ukrainian militiamen. The further deportation of Jews, whose Hungarian citizenship was in doubt, was stopped, due to the objection of some Christian politicians. In the course of anti-partisan raids in January, 1942, Hungarian gendarmes and soldiers massacred some 800 Jews in the Bácska, mainly in Újvidék. The persons responsible for the murders were court-martialled by the Hungarian military leadership.LA Donnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15343929804225590979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-26461170864232655262013-02-18T13:23:33.318+00:002013-02-18T13:23:33.318+00:00Thanks Bobo ! Now it makes a bit more sense to me....Thanks Bobo ! Now it makes a bit more sense to me.<br />It's not always easy for us non-natives, eh?<br /><br />FRANZFranz Holtzhäuserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05516070246513838626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-45745110749433043762013-02-18T11:10:13.035+00:002013-02-18T11:10:13.035+00:00Roberto,
I read the thread referenced and I would...<i>Roberto,<br /><br />I read the thread referenced and I would like you to please translate the following into English:<br /><br />"I enjoyed the semantics whereby try to make believe you're not scared of people to whom you don't reveal your identity because you claim they are only interested in harming you, by the way."<br /><br />You wrote the paragraph wrapped in quotation marks above, but I've got a tough time understanding any of it. Maybe you were having some sort of frantic fit when you wrote this? I don't know and should know better than to speculate about it, but I honestly couldn't decrypt it.</i> <br /><br />Just add a "you" before the "try", chicken kOnsl. Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-22938486089848077692013-02-18T11:07:46.662+00:002013-02-18T11:07:46.662+00:00Jodnathan, Plueease!
Posting a list of names from...<i>Jodnathan, Plueease!<br /><br />Posting a list of names from people who were said (or still) lives in that region does not cut it.<br />That's like posting extracts from a friggin' phone book and then say, oh, see, these people were gunned down - but take my word for it, along with what these fellas' say!<br /><br />It just doesn't cut it. It's just more Torah-shit, okay?<br /><br />Get real, wake up from your dizzy little Holocaust dreams and start producing evidence for these cheap shot claims. How hard is it, really, to produce evidence for these tens of thousands? But oh noes, all you can show for it are some quotes and a list of names which Harrison seems to claim are victims of German gunners.<br /><br />No evidence, no Holoshlock.<br /><br />FRANZ</i><br /><br />Frustrated "FRANZ" continues pouring out manure, as I predicted: <br /><br />«Do any sources other than the puke, namely any accepted rules or standards of evidence, state that the names of the victims must be established in order to prove a mass crime beyond a reasonable doubt? Not that I know. And of course it's pointless to ask the puke what he would accept as "verifiable evidence", what rules or standards his demands are based on, and what mass crimes he accepts as factual have been proven by such "verifiable evidence". He'll run away from these questions as fast as he can, because he's not only a dishonest puke but also a cowardly puke ...»Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-36728657566539898802013-02-17T17:04:11.614+00:002013-02-17T17:04:11.614+00:00Roberto,
I read the thread referenced and I would...Roberto,<br /><br />I read the thread referenced and I would like you to please translate the following into English:<br /><br />"I enjoyed the semantics whereby try to make believe you're not scared of people to whom you don't reveal your identity because you claim they are only interested in harming you, by the way."<br /><br />You wrote the paragraph wrapped in quotation marks above, but I've got a tough time understanding any of it. Maybe you were having some sort of frantic fit when you wrote this? I don't know and should know better than to speculate about it, but I honestly couldn't decrypt it.Franz Holtzhäuserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05516070246513838626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-731286763626404392013-02-17T16:34:20.325+00:002013-02-17T16:34:20.325+00:00Jodnathan, Plueease!
Posting a list of names from...Jodnathan, Plueease!<br /><br />Posting a list of names from people who were said (or still) lives in that region does not cut it.<br />That's like posting extracts from a friggin' phone book and then say, oh, see, these people were gunned down - but take my word for it, along with what these fellas' say!<br /><br />It just doesn't cut it. It's just more Torah-shit, okay?<br /><br />Get real, wake up from your dizzy little Holocaust dreams and start producing evidence for these cheap shot claims. How hard is it, really, to produce evidence for these tens of thousands? But oh noes, all you can show for it are some quotes and a list of names which Harrison seems to claim are victims of German gunners.<br /><br />No evidence, no Holoshlock.<br /><br />FRANZFranz Holtzhäuserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05516070246513838626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-15290139911100403902013-02-17T13:06:25.157+00:002013-02-17T13:06:25.157+00:00Like squeezing blood from a stone.Like squeezing blood from a stone.Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660486969581542489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-90345059928707771212013-02-17T12:25:02.892+00:002013-02-17T12:25:02.892+00:00No names?
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Kamenet...No names?<br /><br />http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Kamenets/kam999.html<br /><br />Where did these people go? Jeckeln had promised to liquidate them. He was "The Higher Police and SS Leader Friedrich Jeckeln (responsible for the rear lines of communication in Army Area South and the Reich Commissariat Ukraine" and had battalions of police at his disposal. Lots of shooters and a famous method for sardine-packing the bodies.Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-56506696843051369562013-02-17T00:56:49.947+00:002013-02-17T00:56:49.947+00:00There is nothing in lieu of this that would sugges...<i>There is nothing in lieu of this that would suggest that tens of thousands Jews, or mere thousands, were killed by the Germans in Kamenetz-Podolsk.</i><br /><br />Actually there's everything. Written documentary evidence, photographs and eyewitness testimony, all independent of each other, all matching nicely. Puke may stick his head in the sand and squeal "no evidence" as much as he wants, he'll only look more imbecilic with every repetition. <br /><br /><i>Certainly, there ought to be at least a smidgen of trace from 23,600 Jews?</i><br /><br />Sure, the puke's Nazi heroes can't have managed to destroy all physical evidence, however hard they tried. <br /><br /><i>All you have to show for it are a couple of quotes...</i><br /><br />What I have to show is perfectly sufficient by reasonable standards and was accordingly considered perfectly sufficient by historians. Again, it's not the puke who gets to determine what is and what is not sufficient evidence. <br /><br /><i>PS:<br />It's claimed that over 23,000 Jews were killed in only two days at Kamenetz-Podolsk area. That's a lot of people, think about it. Two Katyn's, or more. But not even a name, together with verifiable evidence can be produced...</i> <br /><br />Do any sources other than the puke, namely any accepted rules or standards of evidence, state that the names of the victims must be established in order to prove a mass crime beyond a reasonable doubt? Not that I know. And of course it's pointless to ask the puke what he would accept as "verifiable evidence", what rules or standards his demands are based on, and what mass crimes he accepts as factual have been proven by such "verifiable evidence". He'll run away from these questions as fast as he can, because he's not only a dishonest puke but also a cowardly puke ... <br /><br /><i>Roberta tries to sell us a car without a motor, folks.</i> <br /><br />... who can't help projecting his personal problems when babbling shit. <br /><br />A most pathetic creature, in other words. <br /><br />A "Revisionist", in one word.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-50270865234101998602013-02-17T00:50:01.024+00:002013-02-17T00:50:01.024+00:00I have seen the "Kamenets-Podolsky Massacre&q...<i>I have seen the "Kamenets-Podolsky Massacre"-photograph in many different papers and in other references on the Web, but captioned very...how should one say -- diversely?</i><br /><br />Really, Mr. kOnsl? Show me where, please. <br /><br /><i>It seems like the Hoaxters' have finally settled that this was supposed to have happened in Riga, or someplace close to it?</i> <br /><br />No, that was <a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3IPy4irskdQ/S2XihihXuCI/AAAAAAAAAQI/ecO3ddRNam4/s1600/Abb+45+Massengrab+im+Bikernieki-Wald+bei+Riga.JPG" rel="nofollow">this picture</a>. Bikernieki forest near Riga. Different place, far away from Kamenets-Podolsk. <br /><br /><i>Daily Mail, or some other British site recently ran a story and captioned it as being Babi Yar.</i><br /><br />Wrong again. That was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mizocz_shooting_03.jpg" rel="nofollow">this picture</a>, which actually pertains to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizocz_Ghetto" rel="nofollow">Mizocz Ghetto massacre</a>. Bit confused today, are we? <br /><br /><i>I love the ending of Roberta's tedious junk entry:</i><br /><br />Projecting your effeminacy again, kOnsl? How many times do I have to tell you that I'm not interested in your private problems? <br /><br /><i> "further evidence is appreciated", he meek's out for his fellow Hoaxter's.</i><br /><br />Meeking I leave to frustrates like kOnsl. I just happen to be interested in historical evidence, unlike kOnsl the Nazi puke. Not that I don't consider the evidence I presented to be inconclusive, but the more evidence the better. <br /><br /><i>I say, how about some evidence instead of these endless Torah-inspired stories?</i><br /><br />Whatever evidence inconvenient to his articles of faith you show the puke, he will never accept is at evidence. But ask him what he would accept as evidence and what rules or standards (other than his irrelevant own) his demands are based on, and he will run away from these questions as far as he can. <br /><br /><i>The questions asked of you in those threads ended with you acknowledging that you have absolutely nothing of the evidence which was requested from you - only this paper nonsense which is unsubstantiated junk.</i> <br /><br />What the puke calls "paper nonsense" historians and criminal investigators call explicit and damning documentary evidence. I know that must be hard for the puke to accept, but it's not the puke who gets to determine what is evidence and what is not.Roberto Muehlenkamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03608133715777146924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-48927856001579933272013-02-16T21:53:57.394+00:002013-02-16T21:53:57.394+00:00I have seen the "Kamenets-Podolsky Massacre&q...I have seen the "Kamenets-Podolsky Massacre"-photograph in many different papers and in other references on the Web, but captioned very...how should one say -- diversely?<br />It seems like the Hoaxters' have finally settled that this was supposed to have happened in Riga, or someplace close to it? Daily Mail, or some other British site recently ran a story and captioned it as being Babi Yar.<br />I love the ending of Roberta's tedious junk entry: "further evidence is appreciated", he meek's out for his fellow Hoaxter's. I say, how about some evidence instead of these endless Torah-inspired stories?<br />The questions asked of you in those threads ended with you acknowledging that you have absolutely nothing of the evidence which was requested from you - only this paper nonsense which is unsubstantiated junk.<br /><br />There is nothing in lieu of this that would suggest that tens of thousands Jews, or mere thousands, were killed by the Germans in Kamenetz-Podolsk.<br />Certainly, there ought to be at least a smidgen of trace from 23,600 Jews? All you have to show for it are a couple of quotes...<br /><br />PS:<br />It's claimed that over 23,000 Jews were killed in only two days at Kamenetz-Podolsk area. That's a lot of people, think about it. Two Katyn's, or more. <b>But not even a name, together with verifiable evidence can be produced...</b><br /><br />Roberta tries to sell us a car without a motor, folks.<br /><br />FRANZFranz Holtzhäuserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05516070246513838626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-65380201778181002282013-02-13T21:44:40.281+00:002013-02-13T21:44:40.281+00:00It is very interesting how the killing decision wa...It is very interesting how the killing decision was made in that meeting documented in PS-197. According to Angrick:<br /><br />"Their fate was sealed in a meeting headed by the Quartermaster-General Wagner and the Chief of Military Administration Schmidt von Altenstadt; otherwise, the main topic discussed at the session was the transfer of the territory under military rule to the civil administration of the Reich Commissariat Ukraine. The Higher Police and SS Leader Friedrich Jeckeln (responsible for the rear lines of communication in Army Area South and the Reich Commissariat Ukraine), who did not attend the meeting, had hastily offered to solve the “problem” for all concerned by promising to “liquidate” the Jews by September 1. None of the participants objected." Jonathan Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929794273877529591noreply@blogger.com