tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post1384632098081448139..comments2024-03-29T13:40:51.077+00:00Comments on Holocaust Controversies: Mattogno and Father Patrick Desbois (3)Nicholas Terryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-41027378269622179872020-02-15T07:53:35.765+00:002020-02-15T07:53:35.765+00:00I have now read the articles and can confirm they&...I have now read the articles and can confirm they're total BS. This is basically tacitly admitted in the second article, where the author says he bases all of his long first-person Raikhman account quotes on memory (yes, no notes or anything), augmented by modern scholarship. LOL.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-61741746274402398592016-07-29T17:05:59.680+01:002016-07-29T17:05:59.680+01:00I don't think there was much scary about a fra...I don't think there was much scary about a frail old man.<br /><br />OK, now I see that one Vladimir Shveitser did publish something about it in 2011-2012, so that explains why I missed this. A priori I'm skeptical of any such revelations published decades after the fact, but I'll try to find and assess the articles.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-84380925910660330232016-07-28T21:19:23.971+01:002016-07-28T21:19:23.971+01:00It was an article in a Russian magazine by a guy n...It was an article in a Russian magazine by a guy named Vladimir Szwejcera. IIRC some observers were skeptical at the time. <br /><br />Abarinov must have been a pretty brave dude. From what I've read Raikhman was a pretty scary individual. Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-7938185173595409762016-07-28T17:53:20.884+01:002016-07-28T17:53:20.884+01:00Well, I'm aware of the opposite from Vladimir ...Well, I'm aware of the opposite from Vladimir Abarinov's book. He interviewed Raikhman, mentions his death but nowhere I can see R confess. I would be interested in what source claims that R confessed.<br /><br />In any case Raikhman was a secondary figure. His name mostly pops up in Katyn studies because of the fake "report" to Zarubin and Raikhman that was republished in several books (including IHR's journal) in the 1970s and 1980s. <br /><br />We have pretty detailed confessions of Soprunenko and Tokarev though (who, according to the deniers, were, of course, coerced).Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-5282583798376865442016-07-28T16:46:21.452+01:002016-07-28T16:46:21.452+01:00I remember reading somewhere that he described the...I remember reading somewhere that he described the cover-up of Katyn to an interviewer at some point in 1989 or 90. He was dying at the time.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-11238997640889601892016-07-27T22:26:41.884+01:002016-07-27T22:26:41.884+01:00As far as I know, Raikhman never admitted anything...As far as I know, Raikhman never admitted anything.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-28637789471860511212016-07-27T17:07:49.936+01:002016-07-27T17:07:49.936+01:00I always wondered what Katyn deniers had to say ab...I always wondered what Katyn deniers had to say about the (basically) deathbed testimony of Leonid Raikhmann. Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-91190863835675693092016-07-27T08:02:03.498+01:002016-07-27T08:02:03.498+01:00Mattogno's acceptance of the Soviet responsibi...Mattogno's acceptance of the Soviet responsibility for Katyn with simultaneous denial of most Nazi crimes, his insistence that the Nazi-organized propaganda commission is objective with simultaneous wholesale dismissal of the Soviet commission shows conclusively that he's not an even-handed historical nihilist but rather a mere Nazi apologist.<br /><br />Katyn and the Holocaust are in many respects mirror images of each other. For both there is rich documentary, testimonial and archeological evidence that is dismissed or dishonestly re-interpreted by respective deniers. For both the main sine qua non question is the location of the missing people: we would have known that the Holocaust happened if only because the Jews were deported and we know that they never appeared either on the German or on the Soviet territory. We would have known that the Soviets shot the Poles if only because the Poles can't realistically be located anywhere in the Soviet camp system after the spring of 1940.<br /><br />This is exactly the same logic. Once you reject it and the rest of the evidence, what reason is there to accept one version over another?Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-13951918324066671652016-07-27T02:58:47.007+01:002016-07-27T02:58:47.007+01:00Excellent points Sergey. And with the inconsistenc...Excellent points Sergey. And with the inconsistencies in witness statements on the Dresden Bombing, someone with a denier mentality would easily dismiss it as fake lol.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-78205201112726713952016-07-26T21:49:33.083+01:002016-07-26T21:49:33.083+01:00IOW, if Mattogno rejects the Holocaust he also can...IOW, if Mattogno rejects the Holocaust he also cannot accept the mainstream Katyn version. And vice versa, if he accepts Katyn, on the same evidence he has to accept the Holocaust. That is, if he's an honest researcher. Which we know he isn't.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-62696453524066921412016-07-26T21:48:05.771+01:002016-07-26T21:48:05.771+01:00Exactly how is a commission made up mostly of expe...Exactly how is a commission made up mostly of experts from the Nazi-occupied territories for the sake of spreading Goebbels' propaganda "independent"?<br /><br />And how would Mattogno know that the Soviets committed the Katyn killing? After all, if one applies the usual denier standards, the documents proving the Soviet responsibility are fake, the exhumations are manipulated/faked, the witnesses lie...<br />An obvious double standard.Sergey Romanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24597325.post-24150477930852747482016-07-23T21:52:00.914+01:002016-07-23T21:52:00.914+01:00This has been an enlightening series. Although I w...This has been an enlightening series. Although I was aware of his dishonesty and twisting/misreading of sources from day one, I didn't realize that Mattogno was an extremely poor researcher, sloppy and shoddy with sources to the point of incompetence, and suffering from ideologically influenced tunnel vision to the point that he is unable to consider that his absurd theories may have alternatives rooted in reason and evidence. <br /><br />Once again, fantastic job! Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218089864137630577noreply@blogger.com