Sunday, April 22, 2018

A (not so) short debunking of the "Holocaust Deprogramming Course".

Author: Sergey Romanov
The archived website.

The first sentence (after the title) is a lie:
"Free yourself from a lifetime of Holo-brainwashing about “Six Million” Jews “gassed” in “Gas Chambers Disguised as Shower Rooms”"
The claim is not that 6 million Jews were gassed. Only about a half or so of all Holocaust victims were gassed, the rest were murdered through mass shootings, starvation, death marches and so on.

There. We are done. The author of the site did not even bother to learn the basic claim that he has set out to debunk. He doesn't have the slightest clue. Dismissed.

But just for fun, let's go further.
"1. The only thing at Auschwitz resembling a human gas chamber was constructed in 1946 by Stalin."
It's a lie. The small gas chamber in the Auschwitz main camp is a reconstruction. Initially it was a morgue (in a crematorium) that was occassionally used for small-scale gassings, then, after the gassings were moved to Auschwitz-Birkenau (where the actual mass extermination of Jews took place) it was converted into an air-raid shelter. After the war the Poles (not "Stalin") tried to reconstruct the original state by removing the dividing walls of the air-shelter and re-opening the Zyklon B introduction holes. This is all explained in this debunking of David Cole.

When the author writes about someone "constructing" the gas chamber, the impression is that the whole building was built anew, which is a lie. In fact a chemical analysis found HCN traces in the morgue walls.
"2. Not a single diagnosis of death by cyanide poisoning is on record for any German labour camp."
Where would have such a diagnosis come from, considering that as a rule most bodies of the gassed were incinerated? And while some gassings took place in some of the labor camps, the mass murder by gas was mostly confined to extermination camps.
"3. No trace whatever remains of the millions of bodies allegedly gassed in the German labour camps."
A lie, see Mass Graves at Nazi Extermination Camps.
"4. None of the war generals after the war who wrote their memoirs made any allusion to human gas chambers or indeed to any intention to exterminate an ethnic group."
See: Gas chambers not mentioned in the memoirs of Churchill, Eisenhower, de Gaulle?
"5. The Red Cross made normal, routine visits to Auschwitz during the war, and its published reports made no allusion to any ongoing human gassing there."
A lie: the only time the Red Cross tried to inspect Auschwitz, it was not allowed to.

Why would that be? What did they have to hide?

See:
The Red Cross inspected the death camps?
Kollerstrom's Deception on the Visit of the International Committee of the Red Cross to Auschwitz
Kollerstrom and the 1948 Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on the Holocaust
"6. No authentic documents attesting to “The Holocaust” exist anywhere."
A lie. For starters:
Contemporary German Documents on Homicidal Gas Vans
Sonderkommando Kulmhof in German Documents - The Extermination of 100,000 Jews
The Kinna Report - German Document on the Killing of Unfit Jews in Auschwitz
Index of Published Evidence on Mass Extermination in Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau
Evidence on the Babi Yar Massacre 29 & 30 September 1941: Contemporary Sources
The Jäger Report
Rebuttal of Mattogno on Auschwitz, Part 5: Construction Documents, G: Gas Chambers
More Than 100 Nazi Extermination Remarks, 1939-1944
More Nazi Mass Murder Statements
"7. The Bad Arolsen archives list everyone who lived and died in all the German labour camps. The question naturally arises as to what is the total number recorded in this tremendous archive. Clearly the managers of this archive are not at liberty to tell of this or they would be jailed for so awful a crime."
A lie. Most of the people who were murdered in the camps never became their inmates, so they were never entered into the camp registry system in the first place, and most of the extermination camps were not even officially concentration camps (e.g. Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno). Bad Arolsen only has very incomplete records regarding the registered prisoners which have no relation to the total death toll.

See: The Red Cross stats canard.
"Do you build a hospital next (30 metres) to a gas chamber? Does the Camp Commander live 400 yards from the gas chamber?"
As told previously, officially it was a morgue that was only occasionally used for small-scale gassings. The industrial-scale extermination happened later - in Auschwitz-Birkenau.
"But did you know that the Jewish workers were compensated for their labor with scrip printed specifically for their use in stores, canteens and even brothels?"
Not only Jewish workers were compensated, and you can see such ersatz money in the museums and online. The author tries to present it as some sort of hidden knowledge.

Obviously, increasing the workers' efficiency was one of the Nazi goals. There is no contradiction with extermination of the Jews who were found unfit for labor.
"In fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jews held in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates — some 21,500, or about 86 percent — were unable to work."
Nope. See: Holocaust deniers, Gerhard Maurer and Jews unfit for work in Auschwitz.

Short explanation: the number omitted the Polish Jews, who constituted the majority. Most Jews residing in Auschwitz were able to work. Those few who could not were not permanently disabled but rather required a short re-convalescence period, see Small children and people unfit for work in Auschwitz?
"This is also confirmed in a secret report dated April 5, 1944, on “security measures in Auschwitz” by Oswald Pohl, head of the SS concentration camp system, to SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Pohl reported that there was a total of 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz camp complex, of whom 18,000 were hospitalized or disabled. In the Auschwitz II camp (Birkenau), supposedly the main extermination center, there were 36,000 inmates, mostly female, of whom “approximately 15,000 are unable to work.”
Nope. As explained in the article linked to above, Pohl never wrote that those 18,000 were Jews.

Once again, deniers invent a contradiction where there is none.
"The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily as a camp for Jews who were not able to work, including the sick and elderly, as well as for those who were temporarily awaiting assignment to other camps."
Actually Birkenau was established as a camp for Soviet POWs. As for the Jews not able to work, the evidence shows most of them were murdered in Birkenau without becoming its inmates.
"Jewish scholar Arno Mayer, a professor of history at Princeton University, acknowledges in his 1988 book about the “final solution” that more Jews perished at Auschwitz as a result of typhus and other “natural” causes than were executed."
Arno Mayer is not an authority or an expert on Auschwitz in any way, shape or form. Also see
Deceit & Misrepresentation. The Techniques of Holocaust Denial. The Mayer Gambit.
"Inmates Released"
See the corresponding section of A short debunking of Mark Weber's "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts".
"A FACTUAL LIST OF FACILITIES AVAILABLE TO PRISONERS AT THE ALLEGED DEATH CAMP OF AUSCHWITZ IN POLAND"
Fully explained/debunked at Auschwitz swimming pool, hospital etc. 
"Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was visited monthly by International Red Cross inspection teams who were allowed to speak to prisoner representatives alone, in order to hear first-hand of any mistreatment, chicanery, interruption of mail and parcel delivery, health concerns, food and ration matters etc."
A lie already debunked above.

The only time the Red Cross tried to inspect Auschwitz, it was not allowed to.

Why would that be? What did they have to hide?

See:
The Red Cross inspected the death camps?
Kollerstrom's Deception on the Visit of the International Committee of the Red Cross to Auschwitz
Kollerstrom and the 1948 Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on the Holocaust
"In a 1650 page Red Cross report there was never a mention of gas chambers."
Actually there was. Quoting from "Kollerstrom and the 1948 Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on the Holocaust":
Kollerstrom claims that "in all its 1,600 pages the Report never hints at any human gas chambers" (Breaking the Spell, p. 218). Leaving aside that this point lacks relevance, as the report is not a historical study of German camps, it is not even correct:
"At 7 a.m. the first group of one hundred women arrived - it was a terrible and pathetic sight to see these poor creatures, famished, dirty, frightened and suspicious - they could not believe they were to be set free, and took me for an agent of the SS, sent to fetch them for the gas chamber."
(Report of the International Committee Of The Red Cross On Its Activities During The Second World War, Volume 1, p. 625)
"He forced the Red Cross to produce their WWII records, they showed approximately 280,000 total dead for all the camps."
A lie, see: The Red Cross stats canard.
"Camp dental facilities, attended by camp inmate dentists and nurses to deal with the inmates’ dental problems – before the war there 43% of Germany’s dentists were Jewish."
The author then posts a photo of an alleged dentist in Auschwitz. Predictably, the photo is none of the sort - it is actually a dentist from the non-extermination transit camp Westerbork.
"Dr. Carl Clauberg – Famous Berlin surgeon who handled difficult cases."
Clauberg's work in Auschwitz consisted of experimenting on making women (specifically, Jewish women) sterile.
"On weekends at the camp cinema, mainly cultural and non-political films were shown. One ex-occupant recalled how: “There was a library with newspapers. A violin quartet came to play in the barracks. They even ‘made a movie’ in the camp. Some evenings they brought in German movies…”"
Another lie. This claim is taken from Kollestrom's book, who quotes from Reynouard's video, who in turns quotes from a random youtube video "Holohoax survivors who tell truth".

The video however clearly states at 3:38 that this pertains to Buchenwald, a non-extermination camp.
"When the evil Nazis were not too busy murdering everybody, they also found time to build dining halls for the prisoners. Above, the dining hall at Auschwitz III, where the “big” gas chambers were supposed to be. Photograph from 1942."
An outright lie, since Auschwitz III (Monowitz) was a labor camp without gas chambers.
"The camp choir, recruited from the workers at the IG Farben factory at Auschwitz. All well-fed."
And none of them Jewish. The photo was Dürrfeld's defense exhibit #1348 and he commented on it  on 16.04.1948 during the IG Farben (trial transcript, p. 11634):
"This picture shows the choir of the Ukrainian women under the leadership of a Ukrainian musician."
The denier has lied by omission.
"A stage performance at Auschwitz, dated by the German Federal Archive Service as “1941/1944."
Once again, a photo from the non-extermination camp Monowitz, Dürrfeld's exhibit #1347. Irrelevant.
"A camp library where inmates could borrow books from forty-five thousand volumes available."
As already explained here, the photo does not come from Auschwitz but rather was made in Pforzheim in 1918! As explained at the same link, there were several libraries in various part of the Auschwitz complex, but none with "forty-five thousand volumes", which is just another lie.

The rest of the points have been commented on at:Auschwitz swimming pool, hospital etc.
and Small children and people unfit for work in Auschwitz? 
"PHOTOS SHOWING HEALTHY CAMP INMATES"
Determining the health of inmates from photos must be a special denier skill.
"Obese Jewish Prisoner, Dachau"
When did the prisoner arrive? Did he have time to starve? Lying by omission.
"Zyklon-B was used at the labour camps, not as a method of extermination but for the sake of maintaining hygiene among the inmates."
As a matter of fact it was used for both.

Index of Published Evidence on Mass Extermination in Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau
Rebuttal of Mattogno on Auschwitz, Part 5: Construction Documents, G: Gas Chambers
"New arrivals would strip off their clothes and throw them into the Gaskammer, then have a shower and if lice was suspected they would have their hair shaved."
Right, those Jews deemed fit for work. What happened to the rest?

For example, about 430000 Jews were deported to Auschwitz from Hungary in the spring-summer of 1944. About 110000 of them were selected for labor and transferred to various camps. About 320000 of them were found not fit for labor. Deniers should be able to explain the fate of these 320000 Jews unfit for labor in 1944. What happened to them? Where did they go? What's the evidence for this?
"The concept people call “Holocaust-Denial” means an affirmation concerning the manner in which normal hygiene technology worked, namely the opposite of what was affirmed at Nuremberg in 1946 – by US/UK military “intelligence” – whereby merely producing a can of Zyklon was taken as evidence of mass human gassing."
A mere pile of Zyklon B cans does not, of course, prove that there were homicidal gassings.

On the other hand, the documents showing that the morgues of the crematoria were officially designated as gas chambers/cellars (as described by numerous witnesses) and proving that they were not delousing installations do establish this.
"Not only are the delousing chambers too small for the imagined Holocaust gas chamber story, but their delicate apparatus would easily have been smashed to bits by desperate, dying humans."
Since no one has claimed that these delousing chambers were used for mass extermination, what was the point again?
"All documentation relating to “gassing equipment” which has been found in camp records refers specifically to the delousing chambers"
A lie, as pointed out above.
"There are also invoices for airtight doors, gas masks, Zyklon-B, extractor fans, clothing racks, and other supplies essential to delousing procedures."
For the crematoria morgues, which were not delousing installations.
"The autoclaves were remarkably efficient, and were obviously the source of far-fetched allegations in some Holocaust storyteller books of “executions in steam chambers” which occasionally make the rounds."
Autoclaves had nothing to do with the steam chamber rumors, since the latter were concerning the Reinhardt camps, not Auschwitz.
"Surviving bills of lading for Zyklon-B, which are available for public inspection at the National Archives in the United States, show very clearly that Zyklon-B was shipped to all camps, and not just to the alleged gas chamber camps. The bills of lading in the US National Archives run from February16 to May 31, 1944, and reveal that the cases of cyanide crystals (Zyklon) are numbered in sequence (Nos. 50,053 to 50,210); each shipment consisted of thirteen cases, totaling 195 kg; and identical shipments—six each—went to Auschwitz and Oranienburg concentration camps. Oranienburg is situated in Germany, and not even the wildest Holocaust exaggeration has ever claimed that there was a homicidal gas chamber at that camp."
As before, the mere presence of Zyklon B alone is not incriminating, but the argument is bogus anyway, since Oranienburg was the seat of the Concentration Camp Inspectorate and thus was a logical place to store Zyklon B cans for further distribution to other camps.
"THE “HOMICIDAL GAS CHAMBER” SHOWN AT AUSCHWITZ WAS NEVER A GAS CHAMBER
...
Existing blueprints show that the alleged gas chamber was in fact a morgue that was later converted into an air raid shelter."
Correct, but they don't disprove its occasional use as a gas chamber.
"On the blueprints, the alleged gas chambers are designated as ‘morgues’."
And in the documents the Birkenau crematoria morgues are explicitly called "gas chamber", "gas cellar", "gassing cellar".
"He discovered that the four openings in the roof of Krema I, as well as the only door leading directly into the ‘gas chamber’, did not exist at the time of the alleged mass gassings and therefore could only have been pierced through the roof of Krema I since the liberation of the camp."
He could not have "discovered" that. There is evidence to suggest that initially there were fewer openings in the roof (3 or 2), but the deniers can't prove that there were none.
"Krema I is presented to tourists as being “partially” reconstructed, but it is in fact nothing more than a gross deception."
However the author presents no evidence for his claim. He only repeats the usual braindead memes like the "flimsy doors" and the "fake chimney".

More on the gas chamber of Krema I and its attempted reconstruction:

Debunking David Cole's Auschwitz video
Detached Krema I chimney?
Flimsy gas chamber door with a window?
"If the gas chamber was shut down in 1942/43, and not converted back into a gas chamber until after the war by the Soviets, then where were the people gassed during 1943/44?"
Like in the first sentence of his website, the author exposes himself as a complete idiot who knows nothing about the history of Auschwitz. Obviously they were gassed in Birkenau in 1942-1944.
"The ovens are only a few a feet away from the alleged gas chamber room. The heat of the ovens were only separated from the room alleged to be a gas chamber by a brick wall. The active ingredient of Zyklon-B is hydrocyanic acid which becomes explosive upon vaporization."
Only up to a certain concentration, which would unlikely to have been reached with homicidal gassings (which theoretically require lower concentrations than delousing gassings - though even those would not have reached the explosive concentrations).
"In reality the room next to the crematory alleged to be a gas chamber was never a gas chamber. It was a morgue."
It was a morgue that was occasionally used as a makeshift gas chamber before the gassings moved to Birkenau.
"The fact it was never a gas chamber has been admitted by the Auschwitz museum. Dr. Franciszek Piper, former senior curator and director of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on videotape that the holes in the ceiling that were purportedly used to throw Zyklon-B into the rooms used for “homicidal gas chambers” were added AFTER the war, as was the chimney that is built near to, but NOT even attached to, the supposed “gas chamber” building, a building that was in actuality used as a air raid shelter – to PROTECT the inmates from the Allied bombings."
Chimney and holes have been commented on above, and the author's claim about Piper (who has never been a "director" of the Auschwitz State Museum) admitting that "it was never a gas chamber" is a bald-faced lie. Obviously Piper has never, ever stated anything like that. Also see: Debunking David Cole's Auschwitz video

On the Dachau gas chamber see: Dachau gas chamber; the Broszat letter.
"As a young officer, Gerhart Schirmer was captured in 1945 by the Russians and held in Sachsenhausen which the Russians continued to use as a prison. Although the War and Nazism were over, Schirmer and a few fellow-prisoners were forced to construct a gas chamber and execution room, to show the world what the Nazis had done."
While Schirmer did make such a claim, it was false - in fact, the gas chamber in Sachsenhausen existed, the equipment had been removed before the Allies arrived and was stored in the camp. After the Soviets arrived, they found the equipment and the gas chamber with the plastered over holes where the equipment used to be. They honestly described this state of things in their report (which is how we know the Soviets did not lie on this point - they could have said they found the gas chamber intact), and later the equipment was installed again. It is probably this reinstallation of the equipment in the existing building that was described by Schirmer as the constriction of a fake gas chamber, though it was nothing of the sort.

See G. Morsch, "Tötungen durch Giftgas im Konzentrationslager Sachsenhausen" in G. Morsch, B. Perz (Hrsg.), Neue Studien zu nationalsozialistischen Massentötungen durch Giftgas. Historische Bedeutung, technische Entwicklung, revisionistische Leugnung, 2012 (2. Aufl.), pp. 275-6.
"Engineer’s Deathbed Confession: We Built Morgues, not Gas Chambers"
All we have is Lüftl's credibility to go on that he actually interviewed Schreiber, but he has none.

Assuming Schreiber (who became the chief engineer of Huta in Kattowitz only in November 1943, long after the crematoria were finished) did say this, his claim is simply refuted by the documents mentioned above - that call those morgues gas cellars/gassing cellars.
"In the famous Ernst Zündel court trial of 1985, expert witness Raul Hilberg was at a loss:
“Can you give me one scientific report that shows the existence of gas chambers anywhere in Nazi-occupied territory?” defence counsel Doug Christie asked Hilberg in a day-long rapid fire of cross-examination.  “I am at a loss,” Hilberg replied.  “You are (at a loss) because you can’t,” Christie said."
That's a strawman demand since the issue of gas chambers is first of all historical. A scientific report can show the presence of HCN traces on the walls of the gas chambers or the presence of the holes in its roof but you have to have actual historical evidence to make the claim, which is why Hilberg couldn't name any purely scientific report for gassings - such one is barely possible. It's basic stuff, really.
"During this trial, not a single eyewitness for the plaintiff could be found."
Index of Published Evidence on Mass Extermination in Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau
"Also during the trial an alleged “eyewitness” to the gas chamber at Auschwitz was asked to point on a map where the gas chamber was located. He was unable to point to where the mythical gas chamber was located on the map since there had been no gas chamber in reality."
The transcript file is 5060 pages long and the author apparently expects us to go through them all to find the alleged place where the witness allegedly couldn't find something, instead of simply giving us the page number. A brilliant example of "scholarship".

Obviously, even if the witness were unable, after decades, to pinpoint some location on a map, it doesn't follow in any way, shape or form that there were no gas chambers. Why do deniers use such poor logic?
"However the boiling point of the hydrogen cyanide (HCN) in Zyklon-B is 26°C, the evaporation of HCN from Zyklon-B is too slow to kill humans in gas chambers in the way it has been alleged if the gas chamber temperature is below 26°C."
Actually HCN doesn't have to boil to evaporate relatively quickly, and the with hundreds, if not thousands humans in the chamber the temperature there would have quickly reached 30+°C all on its own, as confirmed even by the denier Mattogno (Auschwiz: The Case for Sanity, 2010, vol. 1, p. 117):
"The experience obtained in Germany in connection with the disinfestation of military barracks performed on a large scale in 1940 and 1941 at temperatures between minus 4 and plus 8°C showed in fact that “in all cases, the essential phase of the gas release is complete after one or, at the most, two hours” (Peters/Rasch, p. 136). No doubt, a temperature of 27°C or higher would have sped up the evaporation of the hydrogen cyanide, but would this have necessitated the installation of a heating device? As I have shown elsewhere (1994b, p. 65), the body of an adult standing on his feet generates 1.72 kcal per minute (Flury/Zernik, p. 29); 1,800 bodies would thus generate 3,096 kcal per minute. The latent heat of evaporation of hydrogen cyanide is -6.67 kcal per mol; as its molecular weight is 27.03, the heat required for the evaporation of 6 kg of hydrogen cyanide would be (6,000×6.67)÷27.03 = 1,480 kcal, less than half of the heat generated by 1,800 bodies within 1 minute."
Of course, if needed, the gas chambers could always be preheated with braziers.
"None of these requirements were found by Fred Leuchter, Germar Rudolf, Robert Faurisson, Walter Lüftl, Fredrick Töben, John Ball, Carlo Mattogno, Jürgen Graf, Ernst Zündel, David McCalden, David Cole and others who have carried out a technical inspection of the alleged “gas chambers” – which are admitted as never being a gas chamber."
And none of them are in any way experts on gas chambers, including Leuchter.
"Dr. Charles P. Larson made those autopsies to find proof of gassings but found nothing."
See: The Larson canard.
"The corpses would have been bright cherry RED."
First of all, witnesses rarely describe body color at all. That would not have been the most important detail to mention compared to, you know, the fact of the mass murder.

Second, witnesses do mention red discoloration. One of the most important Auschwitz witnesses, Henryk Tauber, described the gassed corpses (HCN) thus:
"We found heaps of naked bodies, doubled up. They were pinkish, and in places red. Some were covered with greenish marks and saliva ran from their mouths."
S. I. Pilunov described the corpses of the gas van victims in Belorussia on 20.05.1944 (Prestupleniya nemetsko-fashiststkikh okkupantov v Belorussii. 1941-1944, 1965, p. 172):
"The skin on the corpses had a pronounced red color, such that happens after a long stay in the bath."
Some other witnesses describe different shades, such as Wilhelm Pfannenstiel, who said that the Belzec gassing victims showed “a bluish puffiness about the face”.

The reason for the differing descriptions is simple - the so-called characteristic skin color with poisonings applies to individual cases, normally without additional physical injuries and with enough oxygen, i.e. the discoloration strongly depends on the circumstances of death.

It does not necessarily apply to the cases of mass gassings with obvious lack of oxygen and numerous physical injuries involved. Both in Auschwitz and in the Reinhardt camps many victims must have died from pure asphyxiation. Indeed, that is exactly the cause of death claimed by Pfannenstiel - not the engine exhaust.

Skin discoloration would thus vary from gassing to gassing, depending on many factors. But to stay with Auschwitz, a description of cyanide poisonings says:
"In most cases, cyanide poisoning causes a deceptively healthy pink to red skin color. However, if a physical injury or lack of oxygen is involved, the skin color may be bluish. Reddening of the eyes and pupil dilation are symptoms of cyanide poisoning. Cyanosis (blue discoloration of the skin) tends to be associated with severe cyanide poisonings."
Needless to say, mass gassings in Auschwitz involved physical injuries, lack of oxygen and severe cyanide poisoning.
"It was claimed at Nuremberg that 4 million had been disposed of in the Auschwitz camp crematoria."
That is a deceptively misleading claim. It was so claimed by the Soviets (more or less, they were vague on the use of the pyres), but the judgment did not repeat the claim.
"It takes 2-3 hours to cremate a human body even with the most modern crematoria."
Once again a misleadingly deceptive claim. It takes so long for the whole procedure, starting from a cold oven (which needs lots of time and fuel to be heated up) and including a period of time to let the bones whiten since they would look good that way in the urn.

This is not in any way applicable to the way things were done in the wartime camps. This is described in more detail in the debunking of Steve Anderson.
"The camps had between four and twelve ovens each giving 17,520 to 52,560 bodies per year maximum at each camp"
Birkenau had 46 muffles (though not the whole time) and had to dispose of about 500,000 bodies or so (the rest were burned in open air). Here are the oven capacities. Do the math.
"There is also the problem of fuel as each body would need about 40-50 kilograms of coke to burn"
Incorrect for the continuous burnings. Thus, the magistrate of Wiesbaden wrote to the firm Topf & Söhne (who had constructed the Auschwitz ovens) on 19.12.1949 (ThHStAW, Bestand Topf u. Söhne, 231, Bl. 35):
"It is hereby confirmed that Mr. chief engineer Klettner carried out the planned conversion of the cremation furnace in 2 1/2 weeks, taking into account improvements according to your latest experiences.
Mr. Klettner demonstrated the furnace in operation and handed it over after three days of trial operation with a total of 16 cremations to our complete satisfaction today.
The performance of the oven, especially in terms of fuel consumption, exceeded all expectations. On the third day after the commissioning, cremation times of 40 minutes were already being achieved without any fuel consumption except for the required heating up [of the oven].
You are free to show the oven to the interested parties after a prior notification.
Publication of the above letter without prior permission on this side is not permitted."
"It is claimed that 60-70,000 people were cremated every day."
A lie, it is not so claimed.
"The operating documents of Auschwitz concentration camp released from the Soviet archives reveal that the entire quantity of coke which was supplied for the crematoria throughout the entire period of the war was only 2,188 tons of coke which is enough to cremate only 60-70,000."
Not with continuous incineration, and no, we don't have the complete coke documents.
"Furthermore detailed aerial photographs of Auschwitz which were taken by American, British and South African planes show no signs of huge mountains of coke or huge mass graves or pits and no lines of people waiting outside a gas chamber."
They did not have to show any mountains of coke, but the rest of what they show is incriminating:

The Auschwitz Open Air Incineration Photographs as Evidence for Mass Extermination
John Ball's Air Photo Evidence on Auschwitz
"Cremation specialists have confirmed that thousands of corpses could not possibly have been cremated every day throughout the spring and summer of 1944 at Auschwitz, as has often been alleged."
No specialists on mass cremations in crematoria have made such a claim. Modern crematoria's modus operandi (individual cremations) is not applicable, as already pointed out above.
"If these crematories operated at a theoretical rate of a maximum output 24 hours a day, 7 days a week without any down time and at constant pace which is an impossible situation it would have taken at least 35 years at an impossible minimum to cremate six million persons."
Since it is not claimed that 6 million corpses were cremated at all, much less in the crematoria, the author is showing his idiotic ignorance once again. The number of the corpses incinerated in the camp crematoria doesn't reach even a million. Most Holocaust victims' corpses were actually incinerated in open air, many are still buried.
"Based on his own experience, Lagacé testified that it would only have been possible to cremate a maximum of 184 bodies a day at Birkenau."
That's 4 corpses in one muffle in 1 day, or 1 corpse in 6 hours - a ridiculously low number even by denier standards, showing that Lagace is just another fraud.
"Auschwitz survivor Mr. Lieberman confirmed under oath in an affidavit submitted to the Nuremberg trials, that Auschwitz’s “four ovens” could cremate four hundred corpses in just five minutes."
What the deceptive author doesn't mention is that it was merely hearsay not taken seriously by any historian, see Survivor Lieberman and the Auschwitz ovens.
"More nonsense from Nuremberg. This time involving the cremating of 80,000 corpses in “two old ovens”"
The author's link no longer works, but the reference is probably to a doubly mangled claim by a newspaper to the testimony of Charles Sigismund Bendel during the Belsen trial.

On 01.10.1945 Bendel testified:
"Two days later, when I was attached to the day group, I saw a gas chamber in action. On that occasion it was the ghetto at Lodz - 80000 people were gassed."
Bendel's words obviously don't mean that the 80,000 were gassed in one go - it was a continuous operation that took more than 3 weeks.

But some newspapers misunderstood his claim, so headlines like "80,000 Lodz Jews Killed in One Night at Oswiecim, Jewish Doctor Testifies" appeared.  Associated Press compounded on the mistake by thinking that Bendel was talking about Belsen -
"In Lueneburg, Germany, a Jewish physician, testifying at the trial of 45 men and women for war crimes at the Belsen and Oswiecim concentration camps, said that 80,000 Jews, representing the entire ghetto of Lodz, Poland, had been gassed or burned to death in one night at the Belsen camp."
"To this day you will see inside the Majdanek Museum a building where piles of shoes, stored in large wire-mesh containers, are exhibited. A sign at the building’s entrance states that these shoes belonged “to victims of ‘Operation Reinhardt,’” which according to the orthodox Holocaust narrative was the code name for the wholesale slaughter of European Jews by National Socialist Germany. Many visitors will therefore take that exhibit as proof for mass murder. A museum geared toward informing visitors rather than propagandizing them would explain that these are shoes taken from the camp’s shoemaker workshop (Schumacher-Werkstätte) right across from the building where they are displayed today, and that those shoes were collected from many sources and brought to Majdanek in order to be refurbished and reused, and that this large workshop also manufactured new shoes."
Sure, those 820000 pairs of shoes were mostly from the Aktion Reinhardt victims murdered in Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, not in Majdanek itself. And?
"From 1942, until the end of World War Two, the United States Airforce performed low flying, low-speed photography of all the alleged “death camps” to obtain evidence of what was going on. This followed Jewish claims in the West that a mass murder was occurring. All these photographs were released in 1979 when they were declassified. None of these photographs show any sign of mass murder or disposal of millions of bodies."
On the contrary, the photos are highly incriminating:
The Auschwitz Open Air Incineration Photographs as Evidence for Mass Extermination
John Ball's Air Photo Evidence on Auschwitz
"The official Auschwitz camp death certificates revealed that the death toll for all inmates Jews and non-Jews at Auschwitz between May 1940 through to December 1944 was 74,000 of which roughly only 30,000 were Jews."
This only concerns the registered inmates. Since nobody has claimed that most of Auschwitz victims were its inmates, this is irrelevant to the total death toll of the camp.

On the British decrypts see Auschwitz decodes.
"After WWII the Red Cross maintained that the estimated 270,000 deaths inside the camps resulted from malnourishment and disease of which 40% were Jews. "
A lie already addressed above.
"For over a century, the Jewish World Almanac has been widely regarded as the most authentic source for the world’s Jewish population numbers."
Another lie, since the World Almanac wasn't Jewish and so was not regarded "as the most authentic source for the world’s Jewish population numbers". See: The World Almanac canard.
"It is highly significant that among this enormous collection of secret German records, not a single one provides any evidence of mass killing, or even refers to a German wartime policy or program of “extermination.”"
Another lie, already addressed above.
"HIMMLER – “REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”"
"The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in 1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”"
Certainly - the camps had to be orderly and efficient as far as slave labor was concerned. This doesn't have to do anything with extermination of those found unfit for labor.
"The International Red Cross, including a number of officials from the U.S., Britain, France, and Switzerland, inspected the German concentration camps throughout the war. The Red Cross had unrestricted access each month to every German concentration camp including Auschwitz."
A lie, already debunked above.
"The Germans captured 150,000 British soldiers. 150 of those men were engineers who worked at Auschwitz-Birkenau to maintain the manufacturing plants that processed Silesian coal to make gasoline for the German Army. The Germans were using a coal gasification formula developed in 1915 in Russia. These 150 men obviously had daily access throughout the camps but to date neither a Nuremberg prosecutor nor a Holohoax researcher has cited their testimony."
Another lie. E562 was working not in Birkenau but in Libiaż.
"A FACTUAL APPRAISAL OF THE ‘HOLOCAUST’ BY THE RED CROSS"
Already addressed above.
"THE BRITISH INTELLIGENCE DECRYPTS"
See Auschwitz decodes.
"Allies communicated with Germany and determined there were no murders."
A lie.
"If Germans were mass-murdering inmates they would not have answered Allied questions and not have evacuated inmates."
It does not follow. Germany always pretended it treated its inmates humanely, so there was no reason for it not to have replied in the positive.

More specifically, when it was clear that the war was lost Himmler was hoping for some sort of a truce with the Allies and was holding onto some inmates, including Jews, as pawns (meanwhile apparently giving contradictory orders pertaining to different groups of prisoners).

So the reply was in any case expected - and of course it didn't entirely correspond to the reality, for while there were no killings of whole large camps, there were death marches.

Anyway, the whole issue of this particular "communication" between the Allies and the Germans revolved around one specific topic - whether the inmates of the camps would be killed during the evacuation or not. The Allies did not doubt the general extermination policy for a second.

E.g. already after sending his expectation to the Germans that inmates will be kept alive on 22.01.1945 (8 p.m.), Stettinius sent the following to Harriman (9 p.m.):
"In line with record of their past cruelties it is feared that, prior to retreat, the Germans will massacre Jewish and other survivors in Auschwitz (Oswiecim) and Birkenau near Kattowitz and other camps in that area. Please suggest to Soviet authorities the urgency of addressing suitable warnings to Germans in those localities by radio and pamphlets. It is felt, due to nearness of Soviet forces, that such warnings from them would be helpful and effective. Please also take up with Soviet authorities feasibility of their taking direct measures for the protection of inmates of camps.
Board is anxious to hear, as indication whether Germans previous to retreat continue their policy of exterminating remaining Jews, whether 60,000 to 80,000 Jews reported in Lodz a few months ago were found alive. Kindly inquire and cable results."
It was thus a matter of intimidating the Germans into keeping the inmates alive. Also, at this point nobody thought of bombing the camps that were to be evacuated in a few days, obviously.
"60,000 PRISONERS CHOSE TO GO WEST WITH THE RETREATING GERMAN SS IN JANUARY OF 1945"
A bald-faced lie. Obviously they did not choose. The author predictably misuses Elie Wiesel's choice of words in his novel-memoir "Night" to claim that the Nazis gave some choice to the prisoners, but obviously Wiesel claims no such thing.

The so-called choice that the Wiesel family had was to stay in the camp pretending to be severely ill (and risk being murdered by the SS) or go on an evacuation transport risk dying on the way or on

The "choice" was not offered to them by the SS but rather was due to the possibility of staying "in the infirmary, where, thanks to my doctor, he [Shlomo Wiesel] could enter as either a patient or a medic." (Elie himself was already in the hospital at the time).

That's it. The so-called choice option by the SS is a lie.

See the quote from "Night" here.
"JEWISH EMIGRATION"
The numbers cited are obvious exaggerations from random testimonial sources without any documentary corroboration, something a denier would dismiss if the claim was about extermination of Jews.
"There were approximately 3 million Jews in German-occupied Europe."
According to the SS statistician Richard Korherr  on 31.12.1939 there were 3,12 million Jews in the "Reich area" which included the "Old Reich", Sudetenland, Austria, Bohemia and Moravia, Eastern territories and Generalgouvernement.

This alone is more than the author's ridiculous number, and most of the occupied Europe (and USSR) has not yet been conquered. There needs to be no further comment on this, except to refer to the exhaustive demographic study that established between 5 and 6 million Jewish victims in the occupied territories and this automatically further refuted the deceptive assertions of the author.

This also applies to his next lie: "THE JEWS WERE STILL ALIVE".
"On May 20th, 1945 the New York Times reported that more than 6,000,000 labour camp inmates had been “liberated” from German concentration camps."
Not, however, "6 million Jews".
"The leading Austrian Social Democrat, Dr. Benedikt Kautsky — himself a Jew — who spent the years from 1938 to 1945 in concentration camps, three of these in Auschwitz, said:"
A fake quote: Was the Auschwitz Survivor Benedikt Kautsky a Holocaust Denier?
"An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden" ... "A Jewish woman named Marika Frank"
See Survivors did not see or hear about gas chambers?
"TESTIMONY OF GERMANS WHO WERE STATIONED AT AUSCHWITZ"
"Richard Baer"
To rebut the nonsense by the author I will quote from my article:
"That's how denial works - one troglodyte quotes another troglodyte, taking it all on pure faith. No matter that Baer was Auschwitz I commandant in 1944, when, indeed, there was no gas chamber in that camp. No matter that his pre-trial interrogations are publicly available (e.g., on Frankfurt Trial DVD). No matter that Baer never denied the existence of gas chambers in Auschwitz complex, but rather correctly stated that he, as a commandant of the main camp in 1944, had nothing to do with gassings, because gassings were performed in Birkenau (22.12.1960):
Ich bin nur Lagerkommandant im Lager Auschwitz I gewesen. Mit den Teillagern, in denen Vergasungen stattfanden, hatte ich nichts zu tun. Ich habe auch keinen Einfluss auf die Vergasungen selbst gehabt. Die Vergasungen fanden im Lager II statt. Dieses Lager unterstand nicht mir, sondern dem Hauptsturmfuehrer Kramer. Er war zu meiner Zeit Kommandant des Lagers II.
Forget all that. Better let's dream up the story about a brave commandant who was murdered for refusing to repeat the myths. This is much more fun for us, troglodytes!
"Thies Christophersen"
Fully discredited, see Rassinier denied Auschwitz gas chambers. Or was that Thies Christophersen?
"Dr. Wilhelm Stäglich"
Stäglich was stationed in a village about 10 km Auschwitz (as the bird flies) and claims to have visited the camp 3 or 4 times but as he admits in his writings, he never even saw the cremation ovens (Kritik, 1978, Nr. 23, p. 68) and makes a point of calling the Birkenau crematoria "alleged" in his book, so he probably only visited the main camp, not the extermination area, and at any rate did not approach the extermination installations. His testimony as a "witness" is therefore irrelevant.

His book is just another serving of denier myths and misinterpretations.
"None of the Western Allies ( Britain, Canada, USA, Australia, France etc. ) liberated any camps that had gas chambers, or other systems of mass murder in them."
A lie, Western Allies did liberate several camps with homicidal gas chambers, see Death camps found only by the Soviets?
"In 1945, he directed a propaganda film Death Mills (Die Todesmühlen in German), for the Psychological Warfare Dept. of the US Department of War. Intended to be shown first to German audiences, its purpose was to indoctrinate them to believe that the wildest “atrocities” imaginable had been committed by the National Socialist regime and the SS.
Within a week of the capture of Buchenwald, the famous Hollywood director Billy Wilder was in the camp making a film of propaganda lies that still circulate to this day. An inadvertent shot of Wilder on the set at Buchenwald is shown above. The film, complete with props, claimed that the Nazis made soap from the fat of (Jewish only of course) prisoners, made lampshades from the skin of prisoners, and shrunk the heads of prisoners like in the Amazon. Even the Holohoax establishment now admits these were all lies."
No such claims are made in Wilder's Death Mills, certainly not the one about Jewish soap.

There is evidence that at least 1 human lampshade was made in Buchenwald.
Shrunken heads were real and are not doubted by historians, so it's another denier lie,
"At the main Nuremberg trial, the Soviets blamed the Germans for perpetrating the Katyn massacre, and the British, French and Americans, let them do it."
A deceptively misleading statement - while the Soviets tried pinning blame for Katyn on the Germans during the Nuremberg trial, the Western Allies did not let the Soviets misuse the trial rules and let the defendants introduce their own evidence, debunking the Soviet evidence. As a result, the Nuremberg judgment does not mention Katyn at all.
"The Germans who had “confessed” to the Katyn massacre in 1945 had been tortured into making their statements."
There were no such Germans save for Arno Dühre, whose false confession wasn't widely known even in the USSR (he wasn't executed). He renounced it upon his released from a Soviet camp.
"Two of the liars who signed this report were:
“Member of the Special State Commission, Academic N. N. Burdenko”“Member of the Special State Commission, Mythropolitos Nikolai”
The official Soviet report on Auschwitz was listed at Nuremberg as 008-USSR. Two of the men who signed this report were:
“The Academic N. N. Burdenko”“The Mytropolitos Nikolaus”"
It is not clear what this is supposed to prove. The metropolitan Nikolai was obviously a figurehead. Burdenko was the head of the commission and there are reasons to think he sincerely believed in the German guilt at Katyn. But all that aside, it's not like the historians are using the Soviet report as some kind of a primary source on Auschwitz. What exactly is the point of this idiotic exercise?
"According to Judge Edward L. Van Roden’s book American Atrocities in Germany, out of 139 cases of treatment of alleged German “war criminals” that were investigated by the commission (who were put on trial by the American Military Tribunal in Dachau after World War II), 137 were tortured by having their testicles crushed."
A lie. There was no such book. It was an article with Van Roden's byline but not actually written by him. The 137 crushed pairs of testicles is a hoax, see 137 Crushed Lies, or Why Denial Is Beyond Repair
"How many people know that at Nuremberg the Germans were accused of, along with killing about six million Jews:
● vaporizing 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz with “atomic energy”;"
No such official accusation was made, see Nazi Atomic Bombs.
"killing 840,000 Russian POW’s at Sachsenhausen concentration camp (in one month, with special pedal-driven brain-bashing machines, no less), then disposing of them in mobile [sic] crematoria;"
Mobile crematoria obviously did exist, but the rest is indeed rubbish from a disturbed mind. Just a bad apple, you can always find some.
"torturing and killing Jewish prisoners to the tempo of a specially composed “Tango of Death” in Lvov;"
A fact that the author has done nothing to rebut.

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa5048
https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa10008
"steaming Jews to death like lobsters at Treblinka;"
No such eyewitness testimony or confession, probably just a misinterpretation of gas chambers by a far-away observer (imagine all the "steam" coming out of a hot gas chamber on a cold winter day - this could have led to the mistaken impression).

See The Revisionist Fabrication of the Myth of an Original Treblinka "Steam Narrative"
"electrocuting them en masse at Belzec;"
A rumor, no such actual eyewitness testimony or confession.
"making not only lampshades"
There is evidence that at least 1 human lampshade was made in Buchenwald.
"and soap"
The Nuremberg accusation was about a real case, the actual use of human soap at the Danzig Anatomical Institute.
"but also handbags, driving gloves, book bindings, saddles, riding breeches, gloves, house slippers, etc. from the remains of their victims;"
This is based on a testimony of a single witness, who was indeed not very credible. This stuff happens.
"killing prisoners and concentration camp inmates for everything from having armpit hair to soiled underclothing?"
Such abuse sometimes happened.
"The German policeman, Gestapo agent, Dr. Wilhelm Hoettl, was the prime Prosecution witness at the Allies’ Nuremberg Tribunal and as such is the source of the allegation that the Germans murdered six million Jews during the course of the Second World War. Hoettl’s claim was accepted at the Allies’ Nuremberg trial on face value, and without any further attempt undertaken of an independent, objective, forensic examination of the charge, that the the Germans had committed a crime of such mass-murder."
Actually Hoettl's claim was supported by the sum of the presented evidence. Nowadays we don't have to rely on such claims, there are studies like this one showing on the documentary basis that between 5 and 6 million Jews did die.
"No comprehensive analysis or expertise on weapons of the most monstrous crime in the history of mankind was undertaken on the premises that housed these murderous rooms and the ruins of which still remain."
This is not true - the Polish investigators did investigate the camp area and combed through the documents, finding many criminal traces. Many decades later Pressac retraced their steps. Nowadays we know in impressive, though not exhaustive or always non-contradictory, detail about how the main gas chambers functioned.
"Many of the leading scholars of the Holocaust have stated on record, that the actual evidence to prove the Nazis operated homicidal gas chambers, is virtually non-existent."
This has already been shown not to be true above.
"... Lachout..."
The author fell for a fake denier document, see The Lachout document.
"No evidence is more supportive of the Holocaust hoax than the statements or “confessions” of Rudolf Hoess, the former camp commandant of Auschwitz-Birkenau."
Nonsense. There are numerous statements about the gassings in Auschwitz, many of them as detailed as Höss'. Here is a small sample of evidence.
"In his memoirs written during the final months of his life while in Polish captivity awaiting his execution, former Auschwitz commander Rudolf Hoess wrote that he had been severely mistreated by his British captors right after the end of the war."
Correct. In the same memoir he reduced the death toll to about 1 million, contrary to expectations of his Polish captors. That is how we know that his memoir is reliable. Dismiss his initial confession, and we are still left with his memoir.
"The American Senator, Joseph McCarthy, in a statement given to the American Press on May 20th, 1949, drew attention to the following cases of torture to secure such confessions."
The allegations by McCarthy and others were investigated during the Malmedy hearings and while cases of misconduct were found, most of the atrocity claims were found to be groundless.

Also see 137 Crushed Lies, or Why Denial Is Beyond Repair.

In any case these allegations stem from the investigations conducted directly after the war, where the atmosphere was still heated. Whereas in West Germany many trials were conducted in the 1960s with the accused richly describing both the big picture and the details of the extermination process - and not a single allegation of torture or coercion can be thrown at this series of trials.
"BRITISH INTELLIGENCE SCEPTICAL OF GASSING STORY"
Sure, they were for a time. And?
"Britain’s Political Warfare Executive and its predecessor first deployed stories of homicidal gassing as part of propaganda efforts in two areas unconnected to treatment of Jews."
Whatever the PWE actions were, the information about the euthanasia gas chambers preceded them, see American Knowledge of Grafeneck in 1940. Also see Contemporary German Documents on Carbon Monoxide Gas and Bottles Employed for the Nazi Euthanasia

"WHY WAS THE HOLOCAST HOAX INVENTED?"
There was no hoax, so it was not invented.
"The origin of much of the Holocaust hoax lies with the Soviet Union’s desire to create atrocity propaganda against Germany, in retaliation for the latter’s exposure of Communist atrocities. In 1940, the Soviet Union’s secret police murdered thousands of Polish officers and intelligentsia and buried the bodies in the Katyn Forest. The Germans discovered the mass graves in 1943, and and exposed it to the world’s attention making much propaganda of the incident. Desperate for revenge, the Soviets invented much of the initial propaganda about the Holocaust at the end of the war, including obtaining “confessions” from Germans for all sorts of crimes—including the massacre at Katyn."
A lie - the anti-Soviet Polish Government-in-Exile published the information about the Holocaust already in late 1942. See see The Mass Extermination of Jews in German Occupied Poland.
"BRITISH MINISTRY OF INFORMATION SAID IN 1944 THAT HOLOCAUST ATROCITY PROPOGANDA MUST BE CREATED TO DISTRACT FROM USSR MASSACRES"
A lie, it said no such thing. It didn't mention the Holocaust (i.e. extermination of Jews) and it didn't say anything about inventing stuff. See Alleged lies by the British government.
Of course by 1944 the basic facts of the Holocaust were well-known anyway.
"THE GAS CHAMBERS OF WORLD WAR ONE"
And?
"WINSTON CHURCHILL AND EISENHOWER NEVER MENTIONED THE ALLEGED HOLOCAUST"
See Gas chambers not mentioned in the memoirs of Churchill, Eisenhower, de Gaulle?
"THE BALFOUR DECLARATION, WORLD WAR ONE AND 6 MILLION JEWS""THE KABALISTIC ORIGINS OF THE SIX MILLION FIGURE"
See The First Holocaust canard.
"Samuel in August 1933 talks of a planned annihilation and extermination of Jews underway in 1933 and of the war that must be waged against Germany to stop it."
Smart people could see what the Nazi policies ultimately could lead to.
"Documents captured by the Allies after the war, prove that “The Final Solution of the Jewish Question” (“Endlösung der Judenfrage”) was a phrase used by the National Socialists regarding the “auswanderung” (emigration) and “evakuierung” (evacuation) of Jews in occupied Europe. The term “Endlösung der Judenfrage” (Final Solution of the Jewish Question) along with the words “auswanderung” (emigration) and “evakuierung” (evacuation) appear in a July 1941 letter written by Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring. The term “Endlösung der Judenfrage” (Final Solution of the Jewish Question) appears in a February 1942 letter written by SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich."
The phrase "the Final Solution" underwent an evolution of meaning alongside with the changes in the policy. It did mean a territorial solution at one time, but as it became clear that such is not practically possible, it came to mean murder.
"“GERMANY MUST PERISH!” – THEODORE N. KAUFMAN"
Irrelevant random book by a nutjob.
"800 Jews Lived Through “Holocaust” In A Berlin Hospital
800 German Jews spent all their war time in a Jewish Hospital in Berlin. Something strange while an “extermination plan” was supposedly running to kill all of them."
Nothing strange, as they were either part-Jews or spouses of "Aryans" so there were some exceptions made until the further clarification of the policies (which were always vague when it came to such cases, lots of discussions were held on this very issue). The absolute majority of Jews were deported and murdered.

Daniel Silver explains in Refuge in Hell: How Berlin's Jewish Hospital Outlasted the Nazis, 2003, p. 49:
"If the debate within Nazi circles had been resolved in favor of a ruthless elimination of everyone in Germany who could not prove unblemished Aryan ancestry, the hospital could not have remained in existence long enough to be saved by Germany's loss of the war. Fortunately, however, the outcome of the Nazis' uncertainty over mixed marriages and ancestry approached, but never reached, a decision in favor of total elimination. Hitler hesitated to take a step that could turn a sizeable portion of the population against the regime while the war was going badly. He deferred action until things improved, which never happened. As a consequence, a minimal Jewish presence remained in Germany until the end of the war."
"Synagogue Allowed In Berlin During The War"
Here is the actual story:
"Nazi thugs demolished the original interior during the pogrom of November 1938. However, like several of Berlin’s surviving synagogues, it escaped torching because of its proximity to neighbouring apartment houses. Services were still being held here as late as 1940, at which point the German military confiscated and desecrated the building, turning it into a stable and warehouse."
"And, we must not fail to mention the 150,000 (probably more) Jews and mischlinge (“mixed”; part-Jewish) who served in the German military."
Those were almost totally Mischlinge (and those who were Jewish were excluded from the Wehrmacht early on).
"Anti-Partisan Warfare—The Real Purpose of the Einsatzgruppen"
It was certainly one of the tasks. One other task was murdering Jews as Jews. E.g. the Jäger report reports the murder of 137,346 people, "Of these, a total of 135,391 (98.50%) were Jews and 2,056 (1.50%) were non-Jews (communists, partisans, prisoners of war, mentally disabled people and others)."

A further updated report claims 138,272 killings broken down into "A) 136,421 Jews, B) 1,064 communists, C) 56 partisans, D) 653 mental patients, E) 44 Poles, 28 Russian prisoners of war, 5 Gypsies, 1 Armenian. Total 138,272, thereof 55,556 women, 34,464 children".

Enough said.
"The authenticity question surrounding the Ereignismeldungen and TuLBs..."
There are actually none. See The Einsatzgruppen reports (Ereignismeldungen)
"The Wildly Varying Numbers of Einsatzgruppen “Victims”"
Sometimes all the shootings by mobile units (which included the Order Police) are erroneously subsumed under the title of "EG shootings", hence the contradictions.
"THE ALLEGED BABI YAR MASSACRE DEBUNKED"
A lie, the Babiy Yar massacre is thoroughly documented in numerous contemporary sources and has never been debunked.

See Evidence on the Babi Yar Massacre 29 & 30 September 1941: Contemporary Sources
"The Babi Yar Massacre in Kiev: Wartime Aerial Photography Exposes the Lie"
It does no such thing, see the claim debunked here.
"A REFUTATION OF FALSE CLAIMS BY DAVID IRVING AND DAVID COLE REGARDING MASS KILLINGS IN THE REINHARDT TRANSIT CAMPS"
Nobody has been able to refute the murders in the Reinhardt camps or point out the alternative fate of the Jews deported there. This is the end of the denial.

Here is a very simple Challenge to Supporters of the Revisionist Transit Camp Theory.
"Revisionist documentary producer Eric Hunt wrote a comprehensive response to the baseless and dishonest claims made by David Cole in his book “Republican Party Animal” regarding the Aktion Reinhardt camps."
Except Eric Hunt has since denounced Holocaust denial and accepted that these camps were places of extermination.

Since we are at it, the author often links to the Black Rabbit's no longer functioning Holocaust denial blog. Well, the BRoI abandoned denial too!
"THE  N.A.F.H.  CRIME  SCENE  INVESTIGATION  CHALLENGE TM"
This clown has been refuted and disposed of a long time ago.

How about taking the Challenge to Supporters of the Revisionist Transit Camp Theory instead?

Should be easy to find a single name for 1000$?
"THE SOVIET AND AMERICAN DOCUMENTARY FORGERY FACTORIES"
"One of the most ambitious Soviet productions concerned the writings of Dr. Josef Goebbels."
Since the diaries are fully authentic, as is acknowledged even by Irving, who is always happy to call an incriminating document a fake, what was the point again?
"On the American side:"
The author lists some random diaries not having much to do with the Holocaust or offering much evidence for his claims. Whatever. No evidence is offered that Holocaust-related documents have been forged.
"TRENT PARK EAVESDROPPING – MORE FABRICATED ATROCITY PROPAGANDA"
No evidence of fabrication. The author points out some garbled information but this only shows the incorrect knowledge some of these people possessed, not that anything has been fabricated.
"HOLOCAUST PROPAGANDA LIES ABOUT DR. JOSEF MENGELE"
Obviously throughout the years there have been some dodgy claims and exaggerations, but that doesn't mean that the core of the survivor testimony about him is not true.
"AUSCHWITZ TATTOO HOAX""there is not the slightest proof that the National Socialists tattooed anyone, ever, at Auschwitz or anywhere else"
Yeah, and the Earth is flat. The author has just exposed himself as a rabid cuckoo clown even by denier standards. Of course, deniers like Mattogno and Rudolf would never deny the tattooing, since it's so well-documented.

See:
Tattoo Denial
6-digit tattoo but 6 million victims?
"SOAP AND LAMPSHADES"
See the complete treatment at Nazi shrunken heads, human skin lampshades, human soap, textiles from human hair? Sorting out the truth from the legends.
"MOST OUTRAGEOUS TALES OF THE HOLOHOAX"
See Fake, unreliable or mistaken witnesses.
"Scratched Walls"
See Scratched gas chamber walls?
"But there is not one bullet mark to be found on the wall anywhere"
Because this wall is a reconstruction of the original Black Wall which was torn down in early 1944, see Auschwitz 1940-1945. Węzłowe zagadnienia z dziejów obozu, vol. III, 1995, p. 71n222). Duh.
"Vrba... poetic licence"
See Hilberg and famous witnesses shown to be liars, impostors during the Zündel trial?
"Bruno Baum"
See Bruno Baum admitted that false propaganda was created in Auschwitz?
"ELIE WIESEL: A PROMINENT FALSE WITNESS"
See:
Lying about Elie Wiesel.
Elie Wiesel did not mention gas chambers?
More Wiesel stuff.
"THE BBC’S OSKAR GROENING “I SAW THE GAS CHAMBERS” LIE"
Gröning testified about the gas chambers:
"A new shipment had arrived. I had been assigned to ramp duty, and it was my job to guard the luggage. The Jews had already been taken away. The ground in front of me was littered with junk, left-over belongings. Suddenly I heard a baby crying. The child was lying on the ramp, wrapped in rags. A mother had left it behind, perhaps because she knew that women with infants were sent to the gas chambers immediately. I saw another SS soldier grab the baby by the legs. The crying had bothered him. He smashed the baby's head against the iron side of a truck until it was silent."
"It's a significant moment in the life of Oskar Gröning, an explosion, almost as if someone had stuck a needle into an over-inflated balloon. Gröning says: "I know a little more about that; we should discuss it some time." The fellow collector gives him a book, "The Auschwitz Lie," by old Nazi Thies Christophersen. Gröning returns the book, including a few pages of his own words, his answer to Christophersen.
...
"I saw everything," he writes. "The gas chambers, the cremations, the selection process. One and a half million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz. I was there.""
...
"Gröning wants to know what this means. Someone says: "Jews have arrived, and they are now being admitted to the camp. If they're lucky, that is."
"What does that mean?" asks Gröning.
"It means that some of them will be exterminated," says another man."
...
"One night he wakes up to the sound of whistles. Jews have broken out. He runs through the dark until he reaches a farm, where he sees corpses littering the ground. He watches as naked people are herded into the farmhouse and sees a senior officer shut the door, pull a gas mask over his head, open a can and pour the contents into a hatch. Then he hears screams. The screams turn into a thundering noise, the thundering becomes humming, and then it is quiet.
He returns to his barrack with another man. The other man says: I know a shortcut. Along the way, the other man tells Gröning what happens when corpses are burned on grates. They bodies straighten and the men's penises become erect, he says.
The shortcut takes the two men past a pyre where corpses are just being cremated. Gröning moves closer to see what happens when human beings burn."
Gröning maintained his testimony up to the end. His case proves that the German justice doesn't reward former Nazis for their gas chamber testimonies, quite the contrary.
"THE ANNE FRANK DIARY FRAUD"
Another lie, see Anne Frank diary.
"ATROCITY PROPAGANDA: ALLIED PHOTO FORGERIES OF “GERMAN ATROCITIES”"
See Fake Holocaust photos?
"The so-called “torch-men order” (Fackelmännerbefehl) is the command No. 0428, issued November 17th, 1941 by Stalin. It declares that Russian partisans in German uniforms, particularly those of the Waffen-SS, were to destroy all settlements within a swathe of about 40 – 60 km depth from the main battle lines and to ruthlessly kill the civilian population."
The version with the "Russian partisans in German uniforms" is a fake, see Blame it on the Germans …
"what it actually shows is NKVD ... officers murdering civilians"
Another bald-faced lie. Actually the photo shows the women from the Mizoch ghetto being shot by the Nazis.
"Soviet Troops killing Ukrainians in Vinnitsa"
Actually the photo depicts a Jewish man being shot in Vinnitsa by the Nazis.
"HOLOCAUST DENIAL LAWS"
We are against the denial laws, but the truth is that most deniers are just inveterate liars, including the author of this screed, as just has been amply demonstrated. Also, laws exist forbidding denial of Communist crimes and the Armenian genocide. So?

34 comments:

Nicholas Terry said...

Is that the highest score anyone has got on Denier Bullshit Bingo?

blake121666 said...

You wrote that 4 corpses in one day is 8 hours per corpse. That'd be 6 hours per corpse of course.

I looked over that link to Lagacé's testimony. He has all of the pertinent technological points bass-ackwards it looks like.

https://web.archive.org/web/20171107193756/http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/26lagace.html

He thinks ovens need cool-downs or they breakdown - when, in fact, the opposite is the case. Temperature fluctuations is what breaks down the ovens. Keeping temperatures constant is what is desirable in an oven.

He thinks the AB ovens were coal-fired. The coke was gasified. The gasifier was coke-fired; but the furnace was gas-fired from the gasified coke.

He appears to be unaware of the heat recuperators built into the AB furnaces and says stupid things like that the heat would not be controllable!

It's kinda funny how he interprets what he does in his job as so very backwards to the physics going on! His intuition appears to be spot on - just in the opposite direction to the reality of the physics, LOL!

This is what really screwed up my thinking on these matters - this Lagacé nonsensical interpretation of cremation logic. I figured he was someone who did these things and just assumed he must then have had at least some sort of sensible handle on it. God, that assumption turned out to be wrong after having looked into these matters myself!

If this man is still alive he should be informed of what a backwards idiot he is and re-taught what he learned backwards.

blake121666 said...

Oh, I forgot to add that he backs up Tauber by saying that the fat from obese persons drips down into the ash chamber (and aids the cremation of course). That should be an important resource for you. Lagacé is verifying this claim of Tauber as a practical operator of cremation ovens who cremates corpses. You should point this out to others.

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

Sergey’s excellent debunking of staple denier BS should be widely divulged.

Let’s see how Quora works as a divulging tool.

Any other ideas, already applied or not?

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

Just an aside, feel free to consider it off-topic.

«And yes, Churchill did mention mass extermination in the German camps, even if he didn't use the word "Jewish". Funny how the deniers are silent about that. From the first chapter of The Gathering Storm:
Crimes were committed by the Germans under the Hitlerite domination to which they allowed themselves to be subjected which find no equal in scale and wickedness with any that have darkened the human record. The wholesale massacre by systematised processes of six or seven millions of men, women and children in the German execution camps exceeds in horror the rough-and-ready butcheries of Genghis Khan, and in scale reduces them to pygmy proportions.»


With all due respect (well …) for Mr. Churchill, he did Genghis Khan some "injustice" by reducing the man’s killing record to comparative "pygmy proportions".
Matthew White’s 40 million estimate may be over the top (at least as concerns GK alone), but the forces of GK (and his successors) did depopulate large parts of China and the Middle East, besides wiping out rival tribes in their native Mongolian territory. In several cities the death toll of Mongol massacres reportedly reached seven-digit figures. Even assuming an exaggeration by a factor of 10, GK would still have left Hitler far behind in what concerns short-order massacres at single places (as opposed to the Nazi extermination camps, where the killing was done over an extended period). China may have lost several 10 million inhabitants in the first three decades of the 13th Century, according to census data. Even allowing for a breakdown of the census system between baseline and end point, a drop from 7.6 million to 1.7 million households in northern China suggests an enormous excess mortality.
Most of it, for sure, was probably caused by famine and disease following the disruption of an agriculture that granted the bare existential minimum even in good times. But then, the Nazis also did about half of their mass killing, if you count both Jews and non-Jews, by submitting targeted populations to extreme privation.
Adding to that the fact that world population in 1200 was less than 20 % of what it was in 1940, it seems safe to conclude that GK stands the comparison with AH et al quite well.

Raquel Baranow said...

The best evidence millions weren’t gassed or cremated is an examination of the alleged murder weapon and cremation methods.

Dumping cyanide through holes in the ceiling is stupid, dangerous; Nazis would have used the Zyklon gas circulation apparatus used in the delousing chambers.

The pit-pyres were not practical and descriptions of them at Auschwitz we’re absurd: “human fat scooped out with buckets on long curved rods poured over the sizzling corpses”. Pyres require oxygen.

Time to burn corpse and necessary amounts of fuel has not been debunked.

Would like to know more about demographics in Soviet Union, population transfers, deaths from typhus (3-million Russians died of typhus during WWI), Gulag and work camp demographics.

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

«The best evidence millions weren’t gassed or cremated is an examination of the alleged murder weapon and cremation methods.»

Nonsense. The best evidence would be finding those who were supposedly not gassed or cremated. Ever tried that?

And as we're at it, just how many millions gassed did you have in mind?

«Dumping cyanide through holes in the ceiling is stupid, dangerous; Nazis would have used the Zyklon gas circulation apparatus used in the delousing chambers.»

Dangerous it is (actually lethal), but not to the users, proper ventilation and/or gas masks provided (both of which were available). Using your standard insecticide for a dual purpose is actually a good idea, and a circulation apparatus may be needed when gassing inanimate objects like clothes, but not when gassing people (who, you guessed right, move a lot when they realize they are going to be killed). And it's not like the Nazis had used Zyklon B in all extermination camps. In fact most gassing was done with gasoline engine exhaust. Do some reading.

«The pit-pyres were not practical and descriptions of them at Auschwitz we’re absurd: “human fat scooped out with buckets on long curved rods poured over the sizzling corpses”.»

Says you.

«Pyres require oxygen.»

Sure, that's why stokers were busy all the time around the pyres at AB.

And again, you seem to have heard of nothing other than Auschwitz. Elsewhere they did the cremation on grates like were used at Dresden after the bombing attack on 13-15 February 1945. Again, do some reading. Like starting here.

Sergey Romanov said...

> Dumping cyanide through holes in the ceiling is stupid,

You haven't made an argument to establish this.

> dangerous

Not with minimal precautions. Zyklon B was developed for very simple use. In the manuals you'll see photos of people in gas masks simply pouring the stuff on the floor in closed rooms.

> Nazis would have used the Zyklon gas circulation apparatus used in the delousing chambers.

You are unable to prove what Nazis "would" have done. Moreover, we already know what they did.

> The pit-pyres were not practical

They were extremely practical, which is why they were used in the first place.

> descriptions of them at Auschwitz we’re absurd:

You haven't shown this.

> Pyres require oxygen.

Has anyone claimed otherwise?

> Time to burn corpse and necessary amounts of fuel has not been debunked.

By you.

> Would like to know more about demographics in Soviet Union, population transfers, deaths from typhus (3-million Russians died of typhus during WWI), Gulag and work camp demographics.

See our white paper. Stats are openly available.

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

«Time to burn corpse and necessary amounts of fuel has not been debunked.»

Time to burn corpse and necessary amounts of fuel depend on how many corpses are being burned (in continuous operation cremation ovens consume less per corpse on average, because most external fuel is required to heat the ovens up in the first place), and on how well you want the corpses burned. If coarse cremation remains that are then subject to laborious post-cremation processing are all you need (and your friends needed just that), then much less time and fuel are needed.

But you said "not been debunked". What claims "not debunked" exactly did you have in mind?

«Would like to know more about demographics in Soviet Union, population transfers, deaths from typhus (3-million Russians died of typhus during WWI), Gulag and work camp demographics.»

I don't think you are interested in knowing anything, quite frankly.

Demographics in Soviet Union including population transfer are well known, especially since the former Soviet archives have become accessible. Number of Jews involved were but a tiny fraction of what your articles of faith would require. There were about 5.1 million Jews on Soviet territory in June 1941, something like 2.2 million when the war ended in 1945 (Gert Robel in Benz et al, Dimensionen des Völkermords). Try explaining the difference on hand of evidence that would support your articles of faith. Good luck.

There is not a shred of evidence that about 1.4 million Jews (you know, the ones who in 1942 stayed at Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibór and Treblinka, a few also at Majdanek, according to the available evidence) were transported from occupied Poland to the "Russian East" as claimed in the Korherr Report, even though such evidence (huge paper trail, thousands upon thousands of witnesses from among German and Polish organizers, railway workers, guards etc., local inhabitants and of course the deportees themselves) should be all over the place. Not one single name after more than seventy years. Care to take my challenge?

Did I forget something? Ah, typhus. No evidence of typhus epidemics anywhere near the during/post-World War I scale you mention. And that although the occupied Polish and Soviet territories have been studied in great detail by historians. Try another gambit.

blake121666 said...

RM might wish to wrap his mind around the technology claimed in Topf's post-war patent 861731.

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3141&p=123329

For some reason the links are down right now (links to postimg). They are images of pages 249-253 of book 2 of Mattogno's The Cremation Furnaces of Auschwitz. And then pages 193-196 of book 1 of the same Mattogno book.

In short, the idea behind the patent is that the initial chamber is has very high heat (like 1200C) and it quickly (15-20 minutes) dries out and combusts the corpse - wherein it then drops down into a second chamber at lower heat (about 900C-1000C) to fully incinerate the remains from this (takes about 10 to 15 minutes). Then the ashes drop down into a third chamber into an urn.

If one were to claim that a similar rig was used in the AB ovens then there'd be no need for any "coarse cremation" as RM speculates. The full cremation would occur in the ash chamber for however long it took (possibly hours for many corpses). But the initial combustion is what would determine the cremation rate. That would determine when one could reload with new corpses.

As an example. Say you loaded 3 corpses into the muffle at time zero. Say it takes about 40 minutes for those 3 corpses to dry out, combust, and fall through to the ash chamber. Then you load 3 more corpses into the muffle. Therefore your average cremation rate would be 3 corpses in 40 minutes if you did this procedurally. So the average cremation rate would be (40 minutes / 3 corpses) or 13.33 minutes per corpse.

The remnants in the ash chamber would take longer and would continually have more remnants being added to it. But these remnants are much smaller than the amount initially combusted. The AB oven ash chambers were about 70% the size of the combustion part of the muzzle. So the ash chamber could accept many remnants.

As the patent discusses, at temperatures above about 1000C, the nitrogen loosens its bonds to the proteins - releasing combustible hydrocarbons from the corpses' proteins. This happens more and more efficiently above this temperature. But the firebrick can't handle temperatures above about 1200C. So this area of the oven needs to be about 1200C.

The bones harden and don;t cremate at these high temperatures though. So the ash chamber needs to be kept below about 900C to be able to cremate them.

Such as this is the model RM should be thinking about w.r.t. the AB ovens. Read through the patent and my posts about this at RODOH.

Now Tauber claims that the procedure he used was something like 4-5 corpses every 1/2 hour. I have not been able to find incineration rates this high to be possible. I am basing my numbers above on carcass incineration rates that I have researched.

blake121666 said...

I'm re-reading that patent. Since the links were broken when I wrote that last post I wasn't referencing the patent and was just going on memory. I've fixed the links and am looking over that again.

For one corpse at a time:

The desiccation and combustion happens at about 1200C-1300C and takes about 20-30 minutes. The remnant that drops down into the next chamber (the ash chamber for the AB ovens) would take about 10 to 15 minutes to finalize the cremation at about 800C-900C.

The numbers would of course be different for multiple corpses at a time. And I speculate would be as I wrote in my last post. I speculate that one could get average corpse per muffle cremation rates of about 4-5 corpses per hour with this method. Or about 15 minutes per corpse (although no one corpse would be cremated of course in 15 minutes - this would be the average of course).


Tauber claims that he doubled that rate; but I don't believe such to be possible based on the maximum rates one sees for air-curtain carcass incineration.

http://ssl.tamu.edu/edss/handbook/02_ThermBur.pdf

RM might be particularly interested in the liquid fuel used in the air-curtain carcass incinerations as mentioned at that link (table 2)

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

@blate121666

Thanks for the information. Very useful for when I should decide to dig deeper into oven cremation (don't know when that will be).

4-5 corpses per hour is fine. No doubling required.

Raquel Baranow said...

Roberto, the numbers for population transfers into the Soviet Union, deaths in Gulags and work camps are not “well known”. Jews were oppressed under Stalin. Truth about happened there is embarrassing for Russian history. The Wikipedia article on the Gulags does not even mention how many Jews were in those.


Pit burning of corpses is absurd, so are your cremation times.

The best way to dispose of a lot of animal carcasses would be a rendering plant or burial somewhere the corpses would not pollute the water table. There is no evidence of this at Auschwitz which was like a swamp.

Nazis could have gassed the Jews in the tail cars in a tunnel with the fumes from the coal-fired engine. Could have used the exhaust gas from the crematoria.

Nathan said...

- Roberto, the numbers for population transfers into the Soviet Union, deaths in Gulags and work camps are not “well known-
Actually they are, and have been since fhe Soviet Archives were opened in the late 80s before the USSR collapsed. We have paper trail for the “special groups” sent to “special exile”. The largest groups were 700,000+ Germans, 500,000+ Former Kulaks and 400,000+ Chechen and Ingush. The Gulags had something like 700,000-1,000,000 inmates during the Holocaust, so we’re 100% certain the Jews didn’t end up there. Give it up. You’re as ignorant of Soviet history as you are of the Holocaust.

- Jews were oppressed under Stalin-
This is probably the only thing you got right. Stalin had no love for the Jews, which is why we’re sure he didn’t help “fake” the Holocaust: he had no reason to do them any favors by giving them “propaganda”.

Nathan said...

-Pit burning of corpses is absurd, so are your cremation times.

The best way to dispose of a lot of animal carcasses would be a rendering plant or burial somewhere the corpses would not pollute the water table. There is no evidence of this at Auschwitz which wa—

Nope. Pit burning was scientifically proven by the experiments of Lothes and Proffe. Their theories were successfully put into practice by mass corpse cremation in Dresden. The people who carried these out were also chosen because they successfully used the same methods by Lothes and Proffe decades earlier. Cremation experiments by a Scientist named Etting also validated the methods the Nazis used. We also have air and ground photos showing Pit burning at Auschwitz. Your whining is absurd.

The Nazis actually tried mass burials, but it didn’t work because of the sheer number of bodies. This was why they resorted to pit burning. They were smarter than you it seems, since they understood that all it took to deal with the “water table” was a drainage system, something man has mastered since ancient times. Your failure to grasp something as simple as a drainage system shows that your speculations about “better” methods are worthless, since quite frankly, you’re an idjit who don’t know what you’re talking aboit.

Statistical Mechanic said...

In addtion to Nathan's comment above, there is a recent (2017) book that examines the question of Jewish refugees in the USSR, Edele, Fitzpatrick & Grossman, Shelter from the Holocaust: Rethinking Jewish Survival in the Soviet Union. In their chapter in this book, Edele and Warlik conclude that of the approximately 3 million Polish Jews, at least 146,100 and as many as 384,600 Polish Jews escaped German occupation by way of the USSR, probably closer to the lower figure. As to the numbers of Jews in the Gulag, prior to 22 June 1941, the Soviets deported large numbers of people from the areas acquired under the Non-Aggression Pact and protocols; about 70,000 of these deportees were Jews (not all of these deportees were sent to the Gulag). I recommend the full book for a more complete picture of Jewish survival in the USSR during the war.

John Paul Leavey said...

Thank you for the book reference Statistical Mechanic. I have just ordered a copy.

A big thank you to Sergey for a very impressive article.

Sergey Romanov said...


The numbers of Jews in the Soviet camps and special settlements have been published by us and you were given the link at least twice, a long time ago.
You've made no argument as to the cremation times and methods so your words are about as valuable as a fart.
Normally burial is a good way and they were burying corpses in the camps until there were too many, and they began having problems with ground water, stench etc. And of course even aside from that sooner or later they would have to hide the evidence.
What the Nazis could have done is not an argument against what they did. You're engaging in an obvious and silly fallacy.
Gassing in tunnels doesn't make any practical sense whatsoever. You can't gas smaller groups, ventilating is a pain, tunnels cannot credibly be masked as showers, the whole procedure is much more cumbersome - you unload the people, make them undress, then load them again (without any shower excuse) then you have to unload the corpses and clean up the cars. But why? At the core it's the same gassing procedure but with many unnecessary steps involved, very Rube-Goldbergesque. Only a denier can think up nonsense like this.

Gas generator engine is not easily controllable, CO concentrations are much higher - explosion danger.

The optimal way was to gas people is with gasoline engines in smaller chambers (or with CO bottles for smaller groups), the second optimal way was to use the readily available Zyklon B.

Interesting how the Nazis used specifically the most optimal methods, not the impractical nonsense suggested by the deniers. They knew what they were doing.

Raquel Baranow said...

What happened to Polish Jews?

[Quote] In the years 1939-1941, the Soviets deported about 1.5 million Polish citizens (about 52 percent ethnic Poles) from territories of eastern Poland, conquered as a consequence of te Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact. The Nazis deported about 930,000 Poles from the territories incorporated into the 3rd Reich ... most deportees did not survive the exile.[/quote]
(Page 141)
https://books.google.com/books?id=FPxhOu_n1VYC&lpg=PA538&dq=3&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q=1.5%20million&f=false

Nicholas Terry said...

That's a tertiary source from 1996, working from out-dated information that is demonstrably exaggerated. You can find secondary sources repeating the out-dated, exaggerated numbers.

In the 1990s, both Russian and Polish historians published work using the actual Soviet documents regarding the deportations of Polish citizens from the Soviet-annexed regions of eastern Poland, and the 1.5 million number was found to be exaggerated by a factor of about four - the main deportations totalled around 315,000, with the former Polish regions of Lithuania (Vilnius/Wilno) adding a small amount to this.

This work is accepted by leading demographers in Poland such as Andrzej Gawryszewski. We published the actual transport statistics more than a decade ago, courtesy of info provided by Gawryszewski (see part 6 below):
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.uk/2007/10/crazy-world-of-walter-sanning-part-5.html
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.uk/2007/10/crazy-world-of-walter-sanning-part-6.html

There were other routes for survival than simply being deported - labour conscription/migration, refugee flight in 1941 in particular - so not all Polish citizens of Jewish origin who survived had been deported in 1940-41.

The breakdown of *estimates* is as follows
deported, arrested or conscripted - low 101,600 high 115,600
labour volunteers low 40,000 high 53,000
emigrated via Lithuania to Japan, Turkey, Iran low 5000 high 6000
totals low 146,500 high 174,600

The biggest variable is the number evacuated or fleeing as refugees in 1941, with the high estimate at 210,000 and no attempt to provide a low estimate. The authors in Shelter from the Holocaust regard the high estimate as much too high.

It wouldn't, however, make much difference since the Jewish population of Poland was around 3.3 million in 1939, while estimates of the number of Jews from the prewar Polish borders who died range from 2.7 to 3 million. Considering the number of survivors liberated from Nazi camps or who emerged from hiding or the partisans, the higher estimates for the number of refugees fleeing in 1941 would still fit Raul Hilberg's total of 2.7 million Polish Jews who perished during the Holocaust.

The same datasets I've been quoting note that 1.3-1.43 million Polish Jews remained on Soviet territory at the start of Barbarossa, depending on the number thought to have fled from western Poland in 1939 - the number who perished from eastern Poland is estimated between 1.1 and 1.2 million, e.g. by Yitzhak Arad (who doesn't ignore Soviet actions or refugee flight).

There is considerable evidence from postwar Poland that Jews repatriated from the USSR made up the greater part of all survivors - and these repatriatees largely included the survivors in hiding or in partisan units from eastern Poland.

In case you're about to wheel out the 'six million' figure, none of us at HC regard this as the most probable death toll - we would tend more towards 5-5.5 million.

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

«Roberto, the numbers for population transfers into the Soviet Union, deaths in Gulags and work camps are not “well known”.»

To you maybe, Again, do some reading.

«Jews were oppressed under Stalin.»

He didn't particularly like them, for sure. But from there to mass-murdering them it's a long go. The closest Stalin came to that was the "Doctor's Plot" shortly before his death. Read about it.

«Truth about happened there is embarrassing for Russian history.»

There may be many embarrassing truths in Russian history, but there's no evidence that mass-murdering Jews is one of them.

«The Wikipedia article on the Gulags does not even mention how many Jews were in those.»

And so? Is Wikipedia your only source of information?

«Pit burning of corpses is absurd, so are your cremation times.»

Any substantiation, or are hollow claims the best you can provide?

«The best way to dispose of a lot of animal carcasses would be a rendering plant or burial somewhere the corpses would not pollute the water table. There is no evidence of this at Auschwitz which was like a swamp.»

A rendering plant would involve extra costs and leave more evidence behind, as far as I know. So would burying the corpses in an area with a lower water table, to which they would first have to be transported. Your proposed solutions don't exactly meet the requirements of your friends, and they are neither cost-effective.

«Nazis could have gassed the Jews in the tail cars in a tunnel with the fumes from the coal-fired engine.»

We don't know what they would have done if you had been there to advise them. We know what they actually did (which means that coulda-shoulda-woulda considerations are strictly for the birds). And what they actually did was more practical than gassing people in a train and then having to drag the corpses out of every wagon, among other difficulties. Any idea of how the coal-fired engine's fumes would have been directed into every wagon, by the way? I'm not particularly interested in your ideas of how best to kill people, just curious.

«Could have used the exhaust gas from the crematoria.»

For gassing in trains? You're not practical indeed.

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

@Nathan

«Your failure to grasp something as simple as a drainage system shows that your speculations about “better” methods are worthless, since quite frankly, you’re an idjit who don’t know what you’re talking aboit.»

The rest of your reply is great, but please refrain from name-calling. It's against our guidelines.

Nathan said...

Hi Roberto.

This is acknowledged. I’ll try to dial it down.

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Sergey Romanov said...

Racism doesn't necessarily imply open enmity or urge for extermination.

Racial separatism - a form of racism - doesn't even necessarily presuppose racial supremacy (though of course more in word than in deed).

Racism doesn't exclude collaboration with other races.

The Nation of Islam notoriously visited George Lincoln Rockwell's American Nazi Party gatherings. It doesn't mean that both groups aren't deeply racist.

The Nazis obviously would be against non-Jewish "non-Aryans" *mixing* with the Germans.

This excluded neither collaboration, nor even, at times, a certain amount of respect for other (non-Jewish) groups (as long as they remained on their territory, not in the German Lebensraum).

Hence there is nothing at all surprising in the fact that the Nazis were not against non-Jewish "non-Aryans" serving alongside them, especially due to the practical wartime considerations. That "practical" thinking was not alien to the Nazis is obvious - see their pact with Stalin, of all people.

Also don't forget that many varieties of racism exist. E.g. many white supremacists will acknowledge that ethnic Russians are white, while some won't, etc. Various strains of racist thinking also existed in the Nazi Germany, different strains prevailing at different times.

To be honest, I don't see what the problem is supposed to be.

Nicholas Terry said...

The claim that Hitler shook hands with Jesse Owens at the 1936 Olympics is false, and a photo showing them together is a fake. He had in fact snubbed an African-American athlete on the first day of the Olympics, but then was told to be consistent - he no longer shook hands but apparently nodded at Owens:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jesse-owens-and-hitler-handshake/

Non-German soldiers fighting for the Wehrmacht or Waffen-SS served in segregated units, which is pretty much the definition of racism.

The 'Osttruppen', 'Ostlegionen' and other auxiliaries from the Soviet Union were not regarded as the equal of German soldiers - they had their own ranks in many cases, and were awarded their own medals rather than being eligible for the full range of German decorations. They were recruited on an 'enemy of my enemy' basis as anti-Soviet forces, but this did not mean a recognition of national aspirations. This is especially clear with the much better treated Baltic and Ukrainian-Galician Waffen-SS divisions - the Germans had no intention of granting these peoples independence or sovereignty after the war.

Non-European soldiers were extremely few in number - the Arab and Indian Legions, amounting to two regiments, recruited respectively from French colonial territory and from British colonial troops captured by the Axis. The Japanese fielded a much larger anti-colonial force of captured Indian troops. In the First World War, Wilhelmine Germany made similar attempts to turn Indian POWs against the Entente and exploit anti-colonial sentiments.

However, these examples don't provide meaningful counter-evidence against the well-documented evidence of racism inside Nazi Germany and in the occupied territories.

Indeed, they only provide more evidence for racism, since the fielding of segregated military units as auxiliaries is a classic feature of imperialist, colonialist and racist regimes.

Nicholas Terry said...

The treatment of 'non-Aryans' or ambiguous cases inside the Wehrmacht only confirms the institutionally racist practices of the Third Reich. Polish, French and Luxemburger nationals were conscripted into the Wehrmacht from annexed territories after being declared as Germans or signing up to the Deutsche Volksliste. These soldiers suffered a much harsher discipline regime and were more frequently executed for desertion or nonconformity of one kind or another. Ethnic Germans ('Volksdeutsche') were frequently derided if they were not entirely fluent in German, and the proportion of Volksdeutsche in a Waffen-SS unit was regarded by Hitler as a marker of its quality - units with too many Volksdeutsche were not regarded as elite.

The small minority of German Roma and Sinti ('Gypsies') were excluded from the Wehrmacht in 1937, then after a number of them were conscripted anyway, excluded once again in 1941 and 1942. A number of Roma and Sinti who had been in the Wehrmacht were later deported to the 'Gypsy Camp' in Auschwitz - this page provides a good example of what happened to one family where several brothers were thrown out of the Wehrmacht:
http://www.sintiundroma.de/en/sinti-roma/the-national-socialist-genocide-of-the-sinti-and-roma/deprivation-of-rights/marginalisation/exclusion-from-the-wehrmacht.html

Similarly, and contrary to the much repeated claim of "150,000 Jewish soldiers in the Wehrmacht", Mischlinge of the 1st degree - i.e. half-Jews - were formally prohibited from military service before the war, and when a number found themselves conscripted anyway, they were ordered to be removed from the Wehrmacht in April 1940.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCdischer_Mischling#Wehrmacht

There were only 64,000 Mischlinge of the 1st degree and 42,000 of the 2nd degree in Greater Germany as of the 1939 census, i.e. all ages and both sexes - there were 7000 more part-German 'Geltungsjuden' who belonged to the Jewish religion, and who thus absolutely don't count here - so the claim of "150,000" part-Jewish soldiers is a colossal exaggeration.

A small number of officers were declared 'Aryan' by fiat, mostly before the war, but the practice of limited exemptions from racial laws doesn't negate the underlying racism.

Nicholas Terry said...

I'm not sure why you think that non-German military service with the Nazis isn't mentioned by "the media" or is somehow unknown - the issue of collaboration continues to be highly politicised in for example the Baltic states, and thus gets a fair bit of media attention when controversies arise over the commemoration of Waffen-SS veterans in Latvia or Estonia.

The units and formations of non-German soldiers all have their own Wikipedia pages and are quite well researched.

You can *easily* check by googling for example 'Indische Legion' or 'Indian Legion German Army, which immediately yields stories from the BBC on this subject
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3684288.stm

The issue of Muslim soldiers fighting for the Nazis, i.e. the Arab Legion as well as the Bosnian Muslim 'Handschar' division, has received probably disproportionate attention in the past 20 or so years because of the ongoing Middle Eastern conflict; right-wing pro-Israel commentators heavily emphasise Nazi-Muslim cooperation. Therefore one sees stories like this one, about newly discovered film footage of the Nazis' Arab Legion:
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4645922,00.html
or this one, in Spanish, about the Arab Legion
http://www.abc.es/historia/abci-legion-arabes-nazis-lucho-junto-hitler-201510280129_noticia.html
or this one, giving an overview of Nazi-Muslim cooperation that mentions the military formations
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/muslimische-ns-helfer-hakenkreuz-und-halbmond-1.3015455#redirectedFromLandingpage
There are several hundred recent news stories mentioning the Handschar Division in Google News.

But measuring media coverage is not a good test of how widely something is knowable - most people likely hear about these things from reading on the internet or by reading about these issues in books. If one is interested in WWII or the Third Reich, then it does not take very long to realise that the Nazis recruited quite large numbers of non-German soldiers for reasons of military expediency, or that they allied themselves with non-'Aryan' groups using 'enemy of my enemy' logic.

Ngy150 said...

nicholas and sergey, thank you very much for responding to my comment and apologizing if it has been uncomfortable considering that it has nothing to do with the main theme of the publication, which is the holocaust.

As for the subject of jesse owens, I would like to mention that in an interview in 2009 with the German journalist Siegfried Mischner he had mentioned that owens had in his wallet a photograph of Hitler in which he extended his hand. Owens, who thought that newspapers had unfairly treated the Führer in his reporting, in the 1960s tried to convince Mischner and his colleagues to change the most accepted, but wrong, version of Hitler's treatment of himself. Mischner said Owens showed him that picture and told him that "it was one of his best moments." Mischner added: "[The photo] had been taken behind the box of honor and therefore had not been covered by the press. I watched her, he was shaking Hitler's hand! "

and in his online mail statement: "All my colleagues are dead, Owens, too. I know it's the last chance to tell the truth. [But] I have no idea where the photo is or if it still exists. "

And as for Germanic racism, there is a Hitler statement about his race idealism in which he says something completely different to what anyone could have heard, and this was shortly before his death:

 "The fact that a race wants to stay pure demonstrates precisely its life force and its will to live, it seems normal for each one to have their racial pride, and this does not mean to despise others. that maybe the Chinese were racially inferior, we both belong to old cultures and frankly admit that their tradition is greater than ours, they have every reason to be proud of it, just as we are proud of the cultural circle to which we belong. I think it will be so much easier to reach an understanding with the Chinese and Japanese the more they persist in their racial pride. "

Even a foreign volunteer from the German army Leon degrelle, also writes about this matter:

"German racism has been deliberately distorted. It was never an anti-`other race 'racism. It was a pro-German racism. Concerned with making the German race strong and healthy in every way. Hitler was not interested in having millions of degenerates, if it was in his power not to have them. Today one finds a rampant addiction to alcohol and drugs everywhere. Hitler cared that German families were healthy, he cared that they raise healthy children for the renewal of a healthy nation. German racism meant rediscovering the creative values ​​of their own race, re discovering their culture. The national socialist racism was not against the other races, it was because of its own race. His goal was the defense and improvement of his race, and he wished that all other races would do the same for themselves. "

Even the black Reverend Ray Hagins gives his opinion about hitler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVBDXSWOJSM

I reiterate, I do not like in any way to promote "revisionist" propaganda, but I always find it interesting to know things like these that make you see the other side of the coin in history (although as long as they do not present themselves with bad intentions)

PD: I really liked your publication about rejecting the denial of youtube, very good work

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Nicholas Terry said...

Degrelle's claims regarding Nazi racism were deliberately disingenuous and dishonest. Degrelle was himself a Holocaust denier and minimiser of Nazi atrocities.

One could undoubtedly find many other 'stirring' quotes from Nazis about how their racism was positive, idealistic etc, but the reality was rather different: passing laws that institutionalised racist discrimination and occupying much of Europe using policies that were colonialist and oppressive, based on racist ideas.

There were certainly different conceptions of what racism meant to different parts of the Nazi movement - Christian Gerlach has a very good chapter on this in 'The Extermination of the European Jews' (Cambridge, 2016), and how ideas of race informed specific policies in different phases of the Third Reich or WWII certainly changed.

It's also pretty obvious that Nazi ideas of racism shared much in common with the concepts of race prevailing in other European colonialist empires or indeed in the United States; underlying concepts such as Social Darwinism and eugenics were also widely held in Sweden, the US etc - which is why other countries enacted compulsory sterilisation programs as well. The Nazis were also influenced by non-German practices, as James Whitman has argued convincingly in Hitler's American model: the United States and the making of Nazi race law.

The question of how racism functioned in the Third Reich is thus a hell of a lot more complex than a few soundbite quotes can address, and whataboutery is also not very helpful for a proper understanding.

In analysing Nazi actions before and during the war, one must in any case always, always look for economic, military, diplomatic, political and PR/propaganda factors among other things, whether one is discussing German society, the course of WWII or the Holocaust.

Ngy150 said...

Hello nicholas, again thanks for responding to my comment and sorry for the delay

As for Degrelle, I do not know what is wrong with his claim about Nazi racism, that is, Degrelle was a Holocaust denier and I am aware that his words may have been a big lie or simple distortion, but I can not find the truth nothing bad about what I mention taking into account that Hitler himself also said that German racism was not based on hatred or opposition to other races. And yes, I am also aware that much of that confession would be contradictory if we take into account his opinion about the races mentioned by Hitler himself in his autobiography (and maybe even that confession was a "revisionist" manipulation, as be habitual in them), although it is something of which I will continue investigating.

I know you also mentioned that the alliances with soldiers of other races were for reasons of military convenience and using the logic of "the enemy of my enemy", but then so that the Germans had good relations with them (as can be see in the images of the "revisionist" page that you present in my first comment)? Why were not they treated as "sub-humans", as well as the Jews? Why was there never a plan to exterminate other non-"Aryan" peoples as well as the Jewish people (and to clarify that the Gypsy people and other groups were also systematically assassinated for racial reasons, but my question refers to why Was not the same thing done with other races or so that they were treated in a manner similar to that of the German soldiers)? What was the difference between one and the other? What did not want to impose the superiority of the race "Aryan Germanic" ?. As I said before, I do not intend to deny anything, only sincerely I am someone who wants to explore the reality of the facts not only of the Second World War or the Holocaust, but of anything through what different sources of reliable research can offer me, If they are not able to answer my questions there is no problem, I am aware that I can and I must investigate on my own as well (which I have been doing now).

Anyway, I plan to leave my conversation here because I do not want to keep moving away from the original issue of the publication with unnecessary things, I appreciate your time and patience when responding to my comments, many successes.

PD: I do not know if I could serve you, but I found some denier videos on youtube that would be interesting to see them in their publication of "rejecting the negation of youtube":

Ursula Haverbeck "discredits" the holocaust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPa_QeV9KDM&bpctr=1525289892

Interview by Ernst Zundel to Professor Jew Roger Dommergue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usJ9cnPjA9Y

bishop richard williamson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHhdBzPH_zM

I know that these videos are of a longer duration (with the exception of williamson's which I think is incomplete and if it becomes so I apologize for that) than those presented in the original publication (I think), but if there is no serious problem interesting to see them refuted.

ATT: Ngy150

Sergey Romanov said...

I'm pretty sure most of your questions were answered in my initial reply to you which you seem to have ignored.

Ngy150 said...

Hello, sergey.

As for what you said I apologize for that, I think I should have read your comment more carefully before I answered, although I have some doubts about what you mentioned in your response to my first comment (which I should mention at the time):

"Racism does not necessarily imply an open enmity or an urge to exterminate."

So, why did the Nazis exterminate millions of people for racial reasons? (not talking about all the murdered groups)

"Racial separatism, a form of racism, does not even necessarily presuppose racial supremacy (although, of course, more in words than in deeds)."

But, that I understood the Nazi ideology was supremacist (or you say it for other separatist groups)

PS: I know that I had said in my last comment that this would be the last one (worth the roundness), but I just wanted to leave that clarification so that I would not be misinterpreted

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Sergey Romanov said...

1. Because they saw no other way of getting rid of Jews.

2. The rhetoric was partially separatist - depending on the group being talked about (or being addressed). It's not an either/or situation.