Wednesday, December 30, 2009

More From Veronica Clark: Extermination Was Justified

Veronica spells out the 'Christian' basis of her support for Hitler here:
If Hitler did indeed order the mass extermination of the Jewish race, then there are three ways of looking at this decision.

From a Christian perspective, if Hitler truly believed that the Jewish people were “the children of the Devil,”—as Jesus described them to be—and he really felt that he was doing “the work of the Lord,” he would have to be considered justified in his actions.

An enjoyable discussion ...

... developed in the CODOH Cesspit when the poster "Wahrheit" launched the following challenge:

Tuesday, December 29, 2009

Hargis on White Pride

Here:
Some of you guys seem to want to label such things as white pride 'racist' while ignoring the fact that the 'holocaust' lie is a racist lie against those of European lineage, aka 'whites'. The promoters of the absurd 'holocaust' are racist. I see very few here who seem to realize that.

[...]

I do understand your point and we try to avoid that at this forum. But also, I think it's fair and reasonable to expect those with a European background to react to what is clearly a racist attack upon them. For every other group, racial consciousness is not only accepted, but encouraged; there should be no double standard.

The expression goes:'Those that fail to protect and nurture their own are destined to be ruled by those that do'.

Monday, December 28, 2009

Inconvenient History and Stormfront

Further proof that Widmann's 'respectable' journal has a racist underbelly. Warning: links to Stormfront below:

Joseph Bishop - White Racial Extinction

Thomas Kues - appeal to white nationalists in Brazil.

Richard Widmann, Harry Elmer Barnes and Operation Barbarossa

Richard Widmann's Inconvenient History journal claims to be promoting peace in the tradition of Revisionist historian Harry Elmer Barnes (see here). However, the vast gulf between the views of the Barnes school and the columnists of Inconvenient History regarding Germany's invasion of the USSR suggest that the journal is exploiting Barnes' name without adhering to his actual views.

An interesting testimony about the gassing of Gypsies on August 2, 1944

This is one of DEGOB testimonies, protocol no. 308. The witness is S.M. (K-Sz. M.), a medical intern, born in 1922 in Budapest, was in Birkenau from 30.6.44 to 15.9.44. On 4.7.45 he had this to say on the liquidation of the Gypsy camp:
The next morning, they put us in freight cars and after three days of horrible travel, on the 30th of June 1944, I arrived in Birkenau. In Birkenau, after the usual selections and bath I got into quarantine for two weeks. There were around 850 of us, mostly doctors, lawyers and pharmacists, living in a barrack that was originally meant to be a stable. [...] After these two weeks I got into the camp hospital as a nurse. That time the hospital had a Jewish and a Gypsy ward. It remained like this till the 2nd of August 1944, when several trucks appeared in front of the hospital, which took away all the Gypsy patients including elderly people, patients with tuberculosis, with pox and starving children. At the same time they took away all Gypsy inhabitants of the camp, and as I came to know later from a reliable source, all of them, exactly 3540 of them, were gassed.
An article at DEGOB site states:
Based on his reminiscences, K-Sz. M. proved to be a highly acute observer: in the earlier parts of his testimony he gives the accurate date of the Gypsy camp's liquidation (August 2, 1944), with some error he puts the number of those killed at 3451 (the actual number killed that night was 2897) and he is also right when he states that inmate doctors intentionally misdiagnosed those suffering from tuberculosis to save their lives (automatically condemned to death). K-Sz. M. is also an important witness because he knew Mengele personally and not only by hearsay.
This statement contains two mistakes. First of all, witness M. claimed that 3540 Gypsies were gassed, not 3451. The article thus repeats the mistaken online transcription, which, however, can be checked against the original scanned version. It also claims that "the actual number killed that night was 2897", which is simply not true, as has been shown at length in the article "Auschwitz Museum and the number of Gypsy victims".

The traditional number 2897 is based on the absolutely incorrect calculation by Danuta Czech, 1) which was based solely on the statistics for males in the Gypsy camp, 2) which probably mistook the Jews from Radom temporarily residing in the Gypsy camp for Gypsies, 3) which probably incorrectly specified the origin of 1408 transferred Gypsies as Stammlager rather than Birkenau. If we take into account the female statistics for the Gypsy camp and subtract both the 1298 Jews from Radom and 1408 transferred Gypsies, we get the maximum number of Gypsies that could have been gassed on that day - 3613. It is remarkably close to the number given by witness M.

Sunday, December 27, 2009

Widmann Checkmated By His Own Bishop

When Richard Widmann laid down the rules for his Inconvenient History journal earlier this year, he stated that "All content should be properly cited". However, one of his contributors, Chip Smith, makes this admission:
I have a review of Nicholson Baker's Human Smoke over at Richard Widmann's new online journal, Inconvenient History. It's too impressionistic for the forum, but then I warned Richard that I wasn't much of an academic writer. I am a longtime fan of Baker's writing, though, and I think HS is an important book that has gotten a terrible rap.
This editorial negligence might explain why Widmann published this piece of crap by Joseph Bishop, which is replete with unsourced and wildly inaccurate assertions concerning the shootings in the USSR.

Saturday, December 26, 2009

Islamist (sic) Holocaust denial / dismissal

MEMRI TV has a lot of clips from miscellaneous channels from Muslim countries and a search for "Holocaust" brings up a lot of material

MEMRI's translations can certainly be ridiculously inaccurate or even deceptive sometimes, but it's hard to ignore that many clips. I don't really know how representative these clips are. MEMRI certainly presents quite a lot of interesting material, like this outrageous clip in which various Lebanese officials/politicians supposedly blabber about the "supposed tragedy" of Anne Frank and say that the persons responsible for putting an excerpt from her diary in some textbooks should be prosecuted:



Or this video from an Egyptian cleric who supposedly does not deny the Holocaust but rather celebrates it, joyfully going over the pictures of dead bodies:

Friday, December 18, 2009

Srebrenica Denial

The ICMP has been carrying out out DNA analysis of the human remains of Srebrenica victims since 2001. Its results are regularly updated on its site. As of July 2009, it had revealed...
...the identity of 6,186 persons missing from the July 1995 fall of Srebrenica, by analyzing DNA profiles extracted from bone samples of exhumed mortal remains and matching them to the DNA profiles obtained from blood samples donated by relatives of the missing.
Surely this is enough for deniers to drop their evasion of the obvious truth? Unfortunately, no.

Wednesday, December 16, 2009

U.S. Knowledge of Nazi 'Euthanasia' Killings, 1940

From the New York Times, July 29, 1999

U.S. Knew Early of Nazi Killings in Asylums, Official Documents Show
By DAVID STOUT
Published: July 29, 1999

WASHINGTON, July 27— The diplomats at the American consulate in Leipzig, Germany, noticed a lot of strange death notices in the local newspapers in the fall of 1940. Some of the deceased were old, some not so old, but their deaths had something in common.

Animal Carcass Burning Experiments by Dr. Lothes and Dr. Profé

In his persistent attempts to get rid of historical facts inconvenient to his ideological beliefs, "Revisionist" coryphée Carlo Mattogno sometimes unwillingly divulges material that helps the deconstruction and exposure of "Revisionist" nonsense.

A case in point is the translation in Mattogno&Graf's Treblinka Extermination Camp or Transit Camp of the reports dated 13.11.1945 and 29.12.1945 by Polish examining judge Zdzisław Łukaszkiewicz about his investigations of the Treblinka extermination camp crime site.

Another is the translation in Mattogno's Belzec book of Regional Investigative Judge Czeslaw Godzieszewski's report of 12 October 1945 and the related coroner's report of 13 October 1945, both about mass graves and human remains found in the area of Belzec extermination camp, which is mentioned as a favor of Mattogno's to historiography in my blogs "Muehlenkamp accepts nafcash's challenge" - 10th Update and Belzec Mass Graves and Archaeology: My Response to Carlo Mattogno (3).

Yet another is found in Mattogno's article about his Combustion Experiments with Flesh and Animal Fat.

Monday, December 14, 2009

HC forum is now open

The registration is by invitation, which you may get if we know you as a person who can somehow contribute to the discussion, regardless of your views on "revisionism" (you should register at Yuku first).

http://holocaustcontroversies.yuku.com

Dr. Terry says:
The HC forum is now open to the public. Members are invited to discuss the subjects raised by the Holocaust Controversies blog, including blog posts there, as well as any serious or factual issues relating to the history of the Holocaust and other genocides, their denials and negations, or related themes such as 20th Century history, conspiracy theories, antisemitism, etc.

HC Yuku is for serious discussion, and membership approval is required. We would enjoin potential members to use the same profile/username as they are currently using elsewhere on the internet, and to include a link to this profile/forum/blog/website if you are not already known to us. Membership applications from unknowns will be rejected; we are not a site for noobs, novices, JAQ-off merchants, trolls or trouble-makers. We will be a small group and hope to keep the quality of discussion high by making it so.

Reactions in the Cesspit ...

... to my blog So what’s happened on the Cesspit since I last looked in?

Obviously after reading the aforementioned blog, "Revisionist" primitive Greg Gerdes, on the Cesspit thread Muehlenkamp and Mermelstein, took issue with A Holland’s post of Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:48 pm.

Wednesday, December 09, 2009

Quote of the day. The ship is sinking.

People at CODOH forum are starting to wake up the the things we've been saying for years about the censorship by Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis there.

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?p=39493#p39493

Re: Dear Moderator...

by Friedrich Paul Berg » Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:46 pm

The arrogance and high-handed behavior of the "moderator" is appalling and destructive. Lots of people have, no doubt, walked away already.



Plus there's this:

Tuesday, December 08, 2009

Kudos to Mr. Wilfried Heink

... for this unusually honest and almost reasonable post on the CODOH Cesspit (emphasis added):

Just to follow up. Prof. Dr. Seidler wrote back to inform me that there is no mention of any Fackelmänner Befehl on NARA Serie 429, Roll 461, confirming what Hartmann/Zarusky wrote in their IfZ article. Prof. Seidler had mentioned this Befehl in his "Verbrechen an der Wehrmacht", relying on Fritz Becker (Stalins Blutspur durch Europa…"). He, Prof. Seidler, had contacted NARA, asking them for details re. this roll. Nothing happened, thus he ordered it and found out that he had been led down the garden path by Becker. He is understandably perturbed by this, writing that this sort of thing is not helpful. Agreed, and neither is this nonsense article posted on metapedia.

Hartmann/Zarusky provide a German translation of Stavka 0428, it exists, according to them, minus the uniform part. But, the order is useful for our cause without it, Stalin ordered all villages 20-30 km behind German lines destroyed, making it impossible to determine who did what. This should at least raise some doubt as to "blame the Germans for everything". Maisky, the Soviet envoy in London, apparently told Eden, in November 1941, that it had been a hard task to destroy all that had been build up since the revolution and that millions upon millions had to be evacuated (W. P. and Zelda K. Coates, "Vom Interventen yum Alliierten 1917-1942 – Die Geschichte der English-sowjetischen Beziehungen). I’ve ordered the book and will keep interested parties posted. I could also translate the order as provided by Hartmann/Zarusky if anyone is interested.

Regards

Wilf


NAFCASH's Greg Gerdes: murderer von Brunn a "true American hero", his victim a "giant simian"

This has already been mentioned by Jonathan here, but I think it deserves to be repeated and quoted. "NAFCASH" is a ridiculous pseudo-organization run by an ignorant, babbling neo-Nazi fanatic Greg Gerdes, who knows nothing about the topics on which he issues "challenges". It has been extensively covered by this blog. Below you can find excerpts from Gerdes' postings in just one thread at a neo-Nazi forum. Note that von Brunn was a Holocaust "revisionist", whose crazy ramblings had been approved for posting at CODOH before the shooting. Greg Gerdes' "NAFCASH" "challenge" has been joyfully embraced by the CODOH.

Denial of the Herero Genocide

Part 1

Part 2

Denial of the Herero Genocide (Part 1)

There is a genuine academic debate about whether the Germans committed a genocide against the Herero or were simply a brutally repressive colonial administration. But there is also a denier school, purely negationist in intent, that uses familiar denier tricks. This series deals with the latter.

This first blog summarizes some of the major parallels between Holocaust denial and the negationist denial of the genocide of the Herero people by the German colonial administration in 1904-05. An excellent article on this subject, Entangled History and Politics: Negotiating the past between Namibia and Germany by Reinhart Kössler, can be downloaded here.

I will focus on Kössler's arguments alongside some comments of my own.

Denial of the Herero Genocide (Part 2)

Further to Part 1, another connection between negationist approaches to the Herero genocide and denial of the Holocaust is the lame attempts of deniers to neutralize terms such as 'vernichtung' and 'ausrottung'. Some of these attempts appropriate genuine academic literature that, whilst recognizing the brutal suppression of the Herero uprising, has argued that the meaning of the word 'vernichten' in 1904 fell short of genocide. For example, Nordbruch claims here, citing Karla Poewe (who is a bona fide anti-racist, pro-Herero anthropologist but does not believe that German policy was genocidal), that 'vernichten' in 1904 simply meant the "breaking of military, national or economic resistance."

Monday, December 07, 2009

Immigration 'Reform' and Holocaust Denial

Carole Blalock can be found on-line making anti-immigrant statements on behalf of the Northern California Coalition for Immigration Reform, which is a branch of the this organization, which the SPLC classes as a hate group. She has also been the immigration spokesperson for the European American Culture Council of Sacramento, as shown here.

In 2004, the latter group organized the IHR conference, which was eventually canceled but then rearranged.

Freebies! For free!

I noticed that the site of the German historical journal Werkstattgeschichte now has an extensive archive of previous issues, many of the articles directly related to the topic of the Holocaust and other Nazi atrocities. Go there and download - while you can!

http://www.werkstattgeschichte.de/ 

Sunday, December 06, 2009

The Holocaust in Salonica

The following passage is taken from page 404 of Mazower:
When asked by the Italian consul on 27 March [1943] Merten said that the Jews were being deported to "a locality near Warsaw where there is a coal mine. They will live together, administer themselves and work in a synthetic rubber factory". This was the official line. In fact, without necessarily knowing the precise details, Italian diplomats realised many of the deportees would be killed. Another consular official, Lucillo Merci, noted in his diary on 21 March that in Poland "the physically fit among them are put to work, whereas the rest are eliminated. In the end, the physically fit will be eliminated too" [source: Carpi, p.145]
Four months earlier, on November 9, 1942, Greek collaborationist newspapers carried a Hitler speech with the headline, "International Jewry will disappear from Europe" (Mazower, p.396). Italian diplomats in March 1943 had thus learned the true meaning of the Hitler prophecy that was published in Greece the previous Autumn.

Saturday, December 05, 2009

So what’s happened in the Cesspit since I last looked in?

Not much, as usual. Just some more amusing showpieces of “Revisionist” brain damage and/or mendacity.

Lisciotto and Webb are at it again

[The fake blogs have been finally removed due to my complaint to Google/Blogger. I tried in 2006 but Blogger.com was unresponsive back then. I have saved the content of these fake blogs in PDF files (except for the comments).]

Carmelo Lisciotto of holocaustresearchproject.org has posted this message under a nickname impersonating me on a fake blog: http://promoteholocaustdenial.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-us-to-bring-down.html

Carmelo has been waging a smear campaign against this blog since 2006, after his friend Chris Webb had been caught supplying forgeries for deathcamps.org and Carmelo himself had been exposed as a thug and bigot.

Carmelo created several fake blogs back then with libelous messages. He is both a webmaster and one of the authors at holocaustresearchproject.org, from which fact one can judge the worthiness of this "project" run by such complete sociopaths.

Updates are below the cut.

Friday, December 04, 2009

John Mortl is, indeed, a hardcore denier

Guardian published his letter, but later deleted and apologized. Kudos for the latter.

As pointed out in Paul Evans's posting, Mortl has been sending letters to JHR. The letters are not available on the site, but one of them was posted to alt.revisionism, and reprinted (without Mortl's name) in one of Zundelgrams. As you can see, he is an old-time, hardcore Holocaust denier.

Update: Lynda Mortl, his wife, wrote this letter to Irving. Her e-mail then: lynjohn35@hotmail.com

It appears in Irving's hacked list of contacts with Irving's comment: "Is OK Known to us".

Update 2: from Kulaszka's Did Six Million Really Die?:

And everyday as I watched defence attorney Douglas Christie, his legal assistant Keltie Zubko and the various defence witnesses make their way through crowds of hostile Jews, some of whom spat on them, as I watched them being savaged by a hysterical media, as I experienced the lynch-mob atmosphere of that trial day after day, I learned again and again what real courage was and what real dedication to the principles of a free society meant. It affected me profoundly. When the second Zündel trial began in 1988, it was no accident that I had also become part of the defence team.

Keltie Zubko is Lynda Mortl's Facebook friend.

“Can you give the name of just one Jew, with proof, who was gassed?”

On the RODOH forum's thread Camps with gas chambers, our old friend Greg Gerdes, who now calls himself "thunder", is emulating another (no less obnoxious, though perhaps a little more intelligent) "Revisionist" charlatan by asking the question quoted in the heading of this blog regarding every camp mentioned in his ignorant list of "Holocaust gassing" sites (which was addressed in my RODOH post # 11608).

Thursday, December 03, 2009

Is Germany still paying for a gigantic hoax?

mailonsunday.co.uk reports:
Germany is still paying off £50 million of the 'reparations' demanded from it after the end of First World War.

The German Finance Agency, its authority on debt management, said tens of millions of euros are still being transferred to private individuals holding debenture bonds as agreed under the Treaty of Versailles signed on June 28, 1919.

[...]

'The still-open contract for interest and amortisation payments is around €56 million,' said spokesman Boris Knapp.

'That is the debt that is still outstanding from all those years ago but Germany will make good on it.'

[...]

With the signing of the Versailles accord Germany accepted blame for the war which cost nine million men their lives.

[...]

Up until 1952 Germany had paid some 1.5 billion marks in war reparations to Allied countries.

But in 1953 the balance was suspended pending a reunification of East and West Germany.

On October 3, 1990, the old debts went into effect again with 20 years for payment. Germany plans to pay off its World War I debts by October 3, next year.
And this got me thinkin'. Follow the money, you know.


Wednesday, December 02, 2009

Holocaust deniers who love forgeries

As I have already explained once, whenever a Holocaust denier whines about "Holo-forgeries", (s)he is actually projecting - it is Holocaust deniers who have been caught relying on forged documents.

The neo-Nazi "revisionist" guru Fritz Berg crows at The Cesspit about Stalin's order 0428. And yes, he throws some "ifs" around, but the name of the posting is without any qualifiers: "Stalin's "Torch-men-Order" #0428 confirmed by Russia".

Of course, as Roberto explained long ago, although there was such an order, the specific text quoted by deniers is a blatant forgery. Thus there are no "ifs" about it. But expect these lemmings to quote it over, and over, and over again.

125th Skeptics' Circle is here!

Go to Effort Sisyphus and choose your pill...

The number of Hungarian Jews gassed upon arrival at Auschwitz

[This is a shorter updated version of an earlier article published by me elsewhere.]

Traditionally historians have assumed that about 400,000 Hungarians Jews were gassed in Auschwitz immediately upon arrival, i.e. about 90% of all Jews deported out of Hungary.

In 2002 book Das letzte Kapitel German historians Christian Gerlach and Goetz Aly introduced (but did not publish) a document which helps us to better assess the number of Hungarian Jews who had been deported to Auschwitz but were not immediately gassed upon arrival (most of the latter were selected as fit for work and temporarily spared).