Monday, September 11, 2006

Pot, Kettle, Black

Below find the text of an open letter I have send to Richard Krege, the Canberra, Australia-based Holocaust denier who says he visited Treblinka half a decade ago and conducted ground-penetrating radar studies there. Krege claims he found no mass graves, but he never published his results.

Dear Mr. Krege:

I listened with interest to your interview with Michael Collins Piper of Friday
night. During that interview you stated, regarding Dr. Richard Wright's study
on mass graves in Ukraine, "the report has never been published from that work."
This evoked laughter from Piper, and you added that you tried to obtain a copy
of Wright's studies, and "it's never been released."

I found this to be a pretty disingenuous claim on your part, considering that
you have published nothing regarding your own alleged studies at Treblinka. It has been several years since you claimed to go to Treblinka and fail to find any mass graves there, but we've seen nothing in the way of a scientific report from you.

That being the case, I am hereby requesting a copy of your results for my own
perusal. You may send them to me via e-mail or by fax at 215-893-1759. If you
prefer to mail them, please contact me and I will give you a postal address to
which you may send them.

Thanks in advance,

Andrew E. Mathis, Ph.D.
The Holocaust History Project
http://www.holocaust-history.org/
The above views are my own are do not represent the official views of the
Holocaust History Project or any of its individual members, except myself.


Listening to Piper's broadcast and his idiotic callers, I also learned some things:

(1) It is suspicious that the six death camps were in the Soviet occupation zone. No, it isn't. Far more Jews lived on the Eastern front, and thus it was far more expedient to locate the camps in the East rather than in the West.

(2) Six million Jews never lived in NS-occupied Europe. Yes, they did. The Nazis' own census of Jews in Europe shows nearly six million in Poland and Ukraine alone.

(3) The six million figure originates with Ilya Ehrenburg, head of the Soviet secret police. Ehrenburg didn't work for the secret police (in fact, he was arrested by the Cheka in 1918), and he didn't originate the six million figure. It originated after a Anglo-American Commission of Enquiry looked into the issue, and the figure they came up with was 5.8 million

(4) The gas chambers and oven would have to have been enormous to "process" six million Jews. John Zimmerman has definitely answered this question.

(5) Stalin carried out the Babi Yar massacre. Ukraine was fully under Nazi control at the time of the massacre. Stalin couldn't have carried out Babi Yar.

(6) Not one corpse has ever been found and autopsied that indicated gassing as the reason for death. That's because the bodies were cremated.

(7) There is no evidence other than eyewitness testimony to substantiate the "orthodox" Holocaust story. One look at this blog would show otherwise.

I've concluded that rank-and-file Holocaust deniers aren't a bright bunch. No surprise there, I guess...

7 comments:

Judith Goldblum said...

If Dr Mathis is interested he can find a fairly detailed description of Richard Wright's work in "A Case To Answer".

It also includes some photographs of the exhumation.

It looks bona fide, however it was done under Soviet auspices and its absolutely certain the Wright and companions did not have control over the site. This was a big factor in the accused being acquitted.

I am not sure how or if it was conclusively forensically shown that these were Jewish victims (albeit lots of eye witness testimony). Another possiblity might be Poles in an ethnic cleansing by the Ukrainian militia.

To be honest, while it is possible that Professor Wright's report may be difficult to obtain, if Krege wished to I think it is always possible to obtain anything entered into Court evidence. And that would include a lot of material regarding this exhumation.

So I suspect either Krege has not tried very hard or he is being economical with the truth.

Anonymous said...

1 Murder without a Corpse: difficult Case
10 Murders without a Corpse: unsolvable.
100 Murders: unknown in criminal History
1000 astronomicly improbable
10000 singular absurd
100000
1000000 We enter the Zone where no proof at all is needed. The sheer Number is proof enough :-)

Andrew E. Mathis said...

I suspect you're right, Judith.

a.m.

Philip Mathews said...

I don't believe the issue of site control was a big factor in the verdict.

[quote]During the next three days forensic experts Hughes, Wright and Oettle described the exhumation they had conducted in Ukraine more than a year ago. This evidence would ultimately remain virtually uncontested, but for now the defence junior, Lindy Powell, scrutinized it closely for flaws. She spent hours cross-examining each of the experts, covering the same themes with each of them: the role of the Soviet procurators and the pressure they had exerted to finish the work as quickly as possible; who had controlled the exhibits; and countless questions about the uncovered ammunition and cartridges.

Sergeant Hughes explained that, despite pressure from the senior procurator, Mrs. Koleznekova, the Australians had been satisfied with the amount of time they’d spent at the grave. He said that as objects were found they were given to the Soviets, but the Australians had been allowed to see the exhibits whenever they like and without appointment.[/quote]

A Case to Answer
David Bevan
p. 84

Ivan Polyukhovich seems to have been acquited because of problems with identifying him with the crime.

Wright's investigation clearly corroborated the many witness testimonies about what happened at Serniki

JPSlovjanski said...

Stalin did Babi Yar? They just aren't even TRYING anymore!

Voxceltica said...

"(4) The gas chambers and oven would have to have been enormous to "process" six million Jews. John Zimmerman has definitely answered this question"

I've just started reading Zimmermans definitive answer. My thoughts so far..

“The Institute found traces of hydrocyanic acid in the six structures it tested”JCZ

The institute found traces of a fumigant in buildings that the Nazis claimed were morgues

“Most disturbing for deniers is that the Institute found the greatest concentration of poison gas in the samples it tested from Crematorium II”JCZ

This only indicates that this Krema was more heavily used than the others. It does not indicate that it was used for homicidal gassings.

“By contrast, Leuchter claimed that he could not find any hydrocyanic acid in this structure”JCZ

Irrelevant in view of the fact that hydrocyanic acid is found in many areas of Auschwitz that are known not to be extermination facilities.

“Mattogno has an advantage over other deniers in that his sources are often difficult to verify”…………. “he basically reverts to the common denier tactics of omission and misrepresentation”JCZ

An admission of ignorance backed up with an ad-hom attack. Sophisticated stuff!

“An additional double muffle oven was added in the Spring of 1942. Each muffle can be considered an oven, so that there were six ovens in the camp during this time”JCZ

Cremation chamber - a furnace where a corpse can be burned and reduced to ashes. This is a dictionary definition of the apparatus found in a crematorium.

Oven-kitchen appliance used for baking or roasting. This is a dictionary definition of an oven.

Zimmerman chooses to call the cremation chambers “ovens”. This appellation has connotations biblical punishment and cannibalism. What was the previous comment made by JCZ about “misrepresentation”?

Should be an enjoyable read, this guys a real nimrod.

Anonymous said...

""(4) The gas chambers and oven would have to have been enormous to "process" six million Jews. John Zimmerman has definitely answered this question"

I've just started reading Zimmermans definitive answer. My thoughts so far..

“The Institute found traces of hydrocyanic acid in the six structures it tested”JCZ

The institute found traces of a fumigant in buildings that the Nazis claimed were morgues

“Most disturbing for deniers is that the Institute found the greatest concentration of poison gas in the samples it tested from Crematorium II”JCZ

This only indicates that this Krema was more heavily used than the others. It does not indicate that it was used for homicidal gassings.

“By contrast, Leuchter claimed that he could not find any hydrocyanic acid in this structure”JCZ

Irrelevant in view of the fact that hydrocyanic acid is found in many areas of Auschwitz that are known not to be extermination facilities.

“Mattogno has an advantage over other deniers in that his sources are often difficult to verify”…………. “he basically reverts to the common denier tactics of omission and misrepresentation”JCZ

An admission of ignorance backed up with an ad-hom attack. Sophisticated stuff!

“An additional double muffle oven was added in the Spring of 1942. Each muffle can be considered an oven, so that there were six ovens in the camp during this time”JCZ

Cremation chamber - a furnace where a corpse can be burned and reduced to ashes. This is a dictionary definition of the apparatus found in a crematorium.

Oven-kitchen appliance used for baking or roasting. This is a dictionary definition of an oven.

Zimmerman chooses to call the cremation chambers “ovens”. This appellation has connotations biblical punishment and cannibalism. What was the previous comment made by JCZ about “misrepresentation”?

Should be an enjoyable read, this guys a real nimrod."

Hey, look who's calling who a nimrod. Weren't you just criticizing zimmerman for making ad-hominem attacks? But do you honestly think that they are going to gas a cadaver, with HCN, which is useless for killing bacteria, right before cremation? And they're going to build ALL those ovens? 46 muffles. Kind of seems unusual to need that many ovens if they're just going to cremate typhus victims. Lice FLEE human bodies after death. I don't see what's the big deal with zimmerman calling the crematories "ovens". It's just a name, you know? And as others have pointed out, no one piece of evindence leads to a conclusion. ALL eyewitness testimony PLUS documentary evidence PLUS physical evidence leads to the conclusion that those places where gas chambers where people of mostly Jewish faith where exterminated. And one last thing: Why would a morgue need a thick glass peephole AND heating equipment AND doors that only open from the outside? Kinda seems impractical unless it's a gas chamber that uses zyklon-b, right? From Sobe